British Kennel Club Recognition

GalomyOak · 24-09-2011, 02:56

It's a shame that the original dogs that were imported from mainland Europe were not DNA profiled (I think at least one has passed away?). In that way, you could collect DNA back to the original dogs. I have encouraged AKC to put a mandate on AKC profiling all CSVs that are bred. Currently, it must only be done for dogs that are imported, multiple-sire, or AI. I would like to see the same for all natural coverings of domestically bred dogs as well.

It has taken about 3 years to get to the stage that we are at in the US (26 club households, 3 registered litters on the ground, acceptance by AKC as an official club this past month). We had our first "meeting" (more of a meet-up) in 2008, but most of those owners weren't too interested in being very involved with a club, and are not currently involved with our club (one owner has passed away). I think you will find this as well - many owners are happy to be just that, and choose not to be actively involved with a club, for a variety of reasons. It seems to be the breeders (with varying motives) and the "die-hards" who are the driving (and shaping) forces. Dialogue is the key element initially - a strong set of leaders is great to build knowledge, redirect/resolve disagreements, and to help people find their niche in the club. We are hopeful that we will have an "official" meeting (as well as a breed specialty show perhaps!) in 2012.

jefta · 24-09-2011, 09:17

In my opinion there is only one way to rebuild british population-start all over again but rationally.

One very important fact-none responsible breeder will use progeny of dogs with no dokumented orgin! If they will be use in so small populacion as british csv in few years after recognition they will be ubiquitous in population and hole UK population will be useless for FCI breeders for ever.
Moreover, if breeder have choose between owner from FCI country or disappearing his blood because of mixing with no dokumented dogs will sold more promising puppies to FCI. For UK owners stay only puppies that nobody else won`t buy. Do you want to start importing future breeding dogs from this worst position

tupacs2legs · 24-09-2011, 13:36

ok i know im naive but.....

the kennel club accepted the breed originally then withdrew it because of defra's stance,so was it a problem with the dogs themselves? i would of thought if they had granted it the paperwork was there,so surely its about showing the kennel club that defra was wrong and have themselves changed their minds

pixie · 24-09-2011, 17:57

I believe if we dont start something soon, then people will continue to breed mixes or buy dubious bloodlines to breed ,and this britain verses europe thing will continue, its possible to start the club then start importing breeding stock if that is what is required, with perhaps the club sponsoring imports, and i believe my dog is pure, but if proven otherwise she will still be special to me.

and dont throw stones at me they hurt

Murph · 24-09-2011, 18:03

I think the term strike while the iron is hot is approrpriae here!

Shadowlands · 24-09-2011, 19:32

Go for it - you'll be amazed at the support there is for getting this going (some people like to keep silent until the ball is rolling

). After all, you have everything to gain and not so much to lose

Once things are in motion, more and more different bloodlines will be available to you all, which has to be a good thing for what you want to achieve xx

Pixie, Murph - can't agree more
tupacs2legs - I remember reading the same thing...

hedeon · 24-09-2011, 23:21

Ok, I wrote it before, but will quote it again. This is one of requirements for KC recognition:

Quote:

Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK
[ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated]
Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations

Then how many British pure CSV actually has official pedigrees?

24-09-2011, 02:56	#1
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	It's a shame that the original dogs that were imported from mainland Europe were not DNA profiled (I think at least one has passed away?). In that way, you could collect DNA back to the original dogs. I have encouraged AKC to put a mandate on AKC profiling all CSVs that are bred. Currently, it must only be done for dogs that are imported, multiple-sire, or AI. I would like to see the same for all natural coverings of domestically bred dogs as well. It has taken about 3 years to get to the stage that we are at in the US (26 club households, 3 registered litters on the ground, acceptance by AKC as an official club this past month). We had our first "meeting" (more of a meet-up) in 2008, but most of those owners weren't too interested in being very involved with a club, and are not currently involved with our club (one owner has passed away). I think you will find this as well - many owners are happy to be just that, and choose not to be actively involved with a club, for a variety of reasons. It seems to be the breeders (with varying motives) and the "die-hards" who are the driving (and shaping) forces. Dialogue is the key element initially - a strong set of leaders is great to build knowledge, redirect/resolve disagreements, and to help people find their niche in the club. We are hopeful that we will have an "official" meeting (as well as a breed specialty show perhaps!) in 2012. __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

24-09-2011, 09:17	#2
jefta Call Me Sexy Srdcervac Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wroclaw Posts: 1,233	In my opinion there is only one way to rebuild british population-start all over again but rationally. One very important fact-none responsible breeder will use progeny of dogs with no dokumented orgin! If they will be use in so small populacion as british csv in few years after recognition they will be ubiquitous in population and hole UK population will be useless for FCI breeders for ever. Moreover, if breeder have choose between owner from FCI country or disappearing his blood because of mixing with no dokumented dogs will sold more promising puppies to FCI. For UK owners stay only puppies that nobody else won`t buy. Do you want to start importing future breeding dogs from this worst position __________________

24-09-2011, 19:32	#6
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Go for it - you'll be amazed at the support there is for getting this going (some people like to keep silent until the ball is rolling ). After all, you have everything to gain and not so much to lose Once things are in motion, more and more different bloodlines will be available to you all, which has to be a good thing for what you want to achieve xx Pixie, Murph - can't agree more tupacs2legs - I remember reading the same thing... Last edited by Shadowlands; 24-09-2011 at 19:37.

24-09-2011, 13:36	#3
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	ok i know im naive but..... the kennel club accepted the breed originally then withdrew it because of defra's stance,so was it a problem with the dogs themselves? i would of thought if they had granted it the paperwork was there,so surely its about showing the kennel club that defra was wrong and have themselves changed their minds

24-09-2011, 17:57	#4
pixie Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 89	I believe if we dont start something soon, then people will continue to breed mixes or buy dubious bloodlines to breed ,and this britain verses europe thing will continue, its possible to start the club then start importing breeding stock if that is what is required, with perhaps the club sponsoring imports, and i believe my dog is pure, but if proven otherwise she will still be special to me. and dont throw stones at me they hurt

24-09-2011, 18:03	#5
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	I think the term strike while the iron is hot is approrpriae here!