British Kennel Club Recognition

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by BeatriceSlavinschi

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view" So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

[BeatriceSlavinschi]

Very well.
I understand that he contacted other breeders too ... so it's obvious he has access to this database. I'm also waiting to find out what he really intends to, but that will be off course just personal conclusions of everyone of us.

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view" So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

i agree completely! or even 'better', people who don't even know much about dogs in general (in addition to not knowing the breed) but wanting to create more..

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

Whats a CVS??

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by Tassle

Whats a CVS??

sorry my mistake is it csv not to worry bit like your wolfdog bit of a mix up,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by kalcon

sorry my mistake is it csv not to worry bit like your wolfdog bit of a mix up,,,,,,,,,,,,

I don't have a Wolf dog - I have a Mutt

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

lol yes i wanted a csv not a cvs :-)

is what why?

i still have his emails,and i have nothing to hide...he kept changing his mind as to why(i have my own conclusions).....but also,the breeder i went to i had known previously for a few years,knew i was telling the truth and i would stand by my word..and i have...and i couldnt be happier with my dog :-)

why the animosity?

[yukidomari]

When someone is banned from forum is it ok so make another screen name to post under?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Kalkon

,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

Dont you wonder why?
The same heroic breeder who fought to save the breed from the evil DEFRA law was able to sell a dog mixed with her American Wolf to Germany not long ago.
He introduced the breed in UK with De Louba Tar & co dogs for after a fight (and only after it) he comes up pointing the finger for this breeder because of abused dogs due horrible conditions of the kennel and mixes by her.
But the best was the history of Tamaskans & Northern Inuit dogs, some friends of this reputable heroic UK breeder showed up at this forum or let its footprints at his webpage, we soon realize that they were all breeders of the most pure and with no wolf content Tamaskans and Northern Inuit dogs, even if we all suspected that some of these "tamaskans" were or mixes of CzW and Saarloos or even pure animals, soon after DEFRA change all these breeder - before completely against wolf content in their dogs - changed their webpages to breeder of multiple breeds, including SWH and CzW, togheter with wolf mixes, Tamaskan and some other "wolfy breeds".
We can imagine the size of the problem it caused not only to CzW and SwH but to Tamaskan and Northern Inuit Breed as well.
Without comment about the behave of this very heroic and reputable breeder at this forum.

As you can see it was a quite "magical" and "funny time". At this forum we were gifted with some pearls coming from the madness of this heroic breeder.

At the end wolfdog people had enough of him at the point to whish DEFRA never had changed the law.

Thanks to him good breeders are mainly reluctant to send dogs to UK.

PS: The funny thing, if not deceive me, is that the same heroic breeder said to everyone that he had special license to have these dogs and mixes.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by kalcon

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

i know the history thanks

wot ,so its 'your dogs better than mine' because who bred it? lol you know nothing about me or my dogs...........you have to trust the breeder as well as the breeder trust the new owner,goes both ways.so what i went to another breeder,that does not make me untrustworthy.

anyway...sound jealous much?.

[Tazer]

Why if they loved the breed so much and went through all that effort fighting to have them removed from the DWAL, would they then cross them with wolves etc?

What possible good could/has it had for the csv breed, both here in the uk and as a whole?

Or, is it just a case of supply and demand?

Oh and has it occured to you that perhaps the reason why other people haven't imported already, is because they might want a puppy, as opposed to a juvinile or adult.

P.s.

Tupac's owner is the kind of person I want to see breeding in this country, there might be some hope for the breed here then. As it stands, all I see now is a mess, that needs cleaning up.


Taz

[Shadowlands]

You're on the same wavelength as I am, Tazer

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Why if they loved the breed so much and went through all that effort fighting to have them removed from the DWAL, would they then cross them with wolves etc?

What possible good could/has it had for the csv breed, both here in the uk and as a whole?

Or, is it just a case of supply and demand?

Oh and has it occured to you that perhaps the reason why other people haven't imported already, is because they might want a puppy, as opposed to a juvinile or adult.

P.s.

Tupac's owner is the kind of person I want to see breeding in this country, there might be some hope for the breed here then. As it stands, all I see now is a mess, that needs cleaning up.


Taz

Are you now encouraging tupacs to breed her cross in the U.K. forgive me but I was sure you was against this?..why encourage breeding why not just encourage more understanding of the breed and instead of slapping cross owners on the back for their opinions,good work and so called protection of the breed {however how you can say they protect the breed when they have bought a crossed dog from the very breeders you all dislike is beyond me} this forum seems very much if your in our gang your ok even if you by buying a crossbreeded dog you are promoting this further each time you walk it and tell people about your dog..I think that shadowlands is correct I would hope that people feel that from Jan 2012 they can buy a puppy,develop an understanding of the breed and develop a bond with a life long companion and not just see the breed as a money making adventure!!! I moved to the uk for work with my family pet! I had to leave her in quarrentine and its was the most horrible thing ever to do...she isnt a status symbol,she isnt a breeding dog she is loved adored and I am constantly learning from her. education and promotion of this breed is most needed here in the UK but remember that all UK owners are not all breeders! dont intend to do so ! most of us just want to promote the breed and develop our understanding of them along side you all...and not as some of your forum members are doing holding court with their inuits in wolfdog clothing!!....

[tupacs2legs]

So we agree on one thing. 'Happyfeet' about encouraging understanding of the breed.

....Oh so now my Tupac is a cross is he...how convinient

And where have I ever said I would breed him?

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

Are you now encouraging tupacs to breed her cross in the U.K. forgive me but I was sure you was against this?..why encourage breeding why not just encourage more understanding of the breed and instead of slapping cross owners on the back for their opinions,good work and so called protection of the breed {however how you can say they protect the breed when they have bought a crossed dog from the very breeders you all dislike is beyond me} this forum seems very much if your in our gang your ok even if you by buying a crossbreeded dog you are promoting this further each time you walk it and tell people about your dog..I think that shadowlands is correct I would hope that people feel that from Jan 2012 they can buy a puppy,develop an understanding of the breed and develop a bond with a life long companion and not just see the breed as a money making adventure!!! I moved to the uk for work with my family pet! I had to leave her in quarrentine and its was the most horrible thing ever to do...she isnt a status symbol,she isnt a breeding dog she is loved adored and I am constantly learning from her. education and promotion of this breed is most needed here in the UK but remember that all UK owners are not all breeders! dont intend to do so ! most of us just want to promote the breed and develop our understanding of them along side you all...and not as some of your forum members are doing holding court with their inuits in wolfdog clothing!!....

1. Tassle is the only one who has mentioned owning a csv cross here and I didn't mention her at all.

2. Tupacs2leg's attitude towards the breed here, for example wanting them to be bred pure and to be established as a breed in their own right, was what I was refering to with the remark I made. If you had bothered to stop and think that the comment had more meaning than the one you assigned to it, you would've understood that.

3. She knows what I think of her boys breeder infact, there're probably few people who've got me on the subject who don't understand what I think of it.

4. I absolutely agree with you ref education and understanding of the breed being most needed here and yes, not all owners want to breed thankfully. Its just most unfortunate that the one's who do, seem to want to breed them with what evers easiest to get hold of.


Taz

[Tazer]

I saw an ad earlier today. The sire was a pure csv apparently, the dam was a csv x northern inuit.

Males were 750 quid
The female was...1000 quid.

Absolute madness.


Taz

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

Are you now encouraging tupacs to breed her cross in the U.K. forgive me but I was sure you was against this? i am..why encourage breeding why not just encourage more understanding of the breedagain,i do and agree and instead of slapping cross owners on the back for their opinions,good work and so called protection of the breed {however how you can say they protect the breed when they have bought a crossed dog from the very breeders you all dislike is beyond me} i havnt this forum seems very much if your in our gang your ok even if you by buying a crossbreeded dog you are promoting this further each time you walk it and tell people about your dog..I think that shadowlands is correct I would hope that people feel that from Jan 2012 they can buy a puppy,develop an understanding of the breed and develop a bond with a life long companion and not just see the breed as a money making adventure!!! absolutely!!!! I moved to the uk for work with my family pet! I had to leave her in quarrentine and its was the most horrible thing ever to do...she isnt a status symbol,she isnt a breeding dog she is loved adored and I am constantly learning from her. education and promotion of this breed is most needed here in the UK but remember that all UK owners are not all breeders! dont intend to do so ! most of us just want to promote the breed and develop our understanding of them along side you allhear hear!!!...and not as some of your forum members are doing holding court with their inuits in wolfdog clothing!!....

very strange your hostility to me,as clearly we sing from the same hymn sheet(or so it seems) i think maybe you need to at least get your facts straight before attacking me for no reason.