British Kennel Club Recognition

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by pixie

Why all the bitching, anybody in britain want to meet up to organise a strtegy to get the CSV recognised by the kennel club

Well, I fully agree. One person is not able to do it, owners need to unite and cooperate to get CSV recognized. I am no owner yet. Hope that I will become soon. But I am willing to help any way I can.
And we will also need help of more experienced people from this forum as I dont completely understand what KC mean by "Proposed breeding plan" and "Gene pool".

By FB you probably meant this group:
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?g...3469887&ref=ts

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by hedeon

Well, I fully agree. One person is not able to do it, owners need to unite and cooperate to get CSV recognized. I am no owner yet. Hope that I will become soon. But I am willing to help any way I can.
And we will also need help of more experienced people from this forum as I dont completely understand what KC mean by "Proposed breeding plan" and "Gene pool".

By FB you probably meant this group:
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?g...3469887&ref=ts

I would be very careful joining the above group the admin one named sandra curry is a main promoter of crossing czech and she has just breed czech with german shepard and is selling these as 'anglo wolfdogs' and many on this site are actually not breeding pure they are mixing them!! In my opinion this is truely shocking and the more I look the more shocking it is...

This is her website and links to all the other ones!!

http://www.sansorrella.com/breed%20information.htm

I see you are a member and post on here? same as the breeder that is mentioned throughout this link

I agree it would be great to find a like minded bunch in the uk that are not mixing this breed .... I THINK from what little i've seen its going to be hard to find breeders who dont dabble in mixing this breed in the UK...as each and everyone i've seen mix breed......along side 'pure breed'...hmmm lots of dabbling going on!!

You need to look at this anglo wolfdog site!!!!!!!!

[happyfeet]

sorry to those who dont like dots and dashes i was thinking allowed via my keys again...old age! forgiveness is required!

[Aranwen]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

sorry to those who dont like dots and dashes i was thinking allowed via my keys again...old age! forgiveness is required!

I'm sure there are many in the UK who would like to keep the Czech pure. Yes, hybrid vigour is a good goal in general but not to the detriment of the breed i.e. temperament and behaviour. Please don't tar all in the UK with the same brush - there is a future for the breed here and now that the quarantine laws have been amended, things will change!

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Aranwen

I'm sure there are many in the UK who would like to keep the Czech pure. Yes, hybrid vigour is a good goal in general but not to the detriment of the breed i.e. temperament and behaviour. Please don't tar all in the UK with the same brush - there is a future for the breed here and now that the quarantine laws have been amended, things will change!

I am curious if the cross-breeders cite "hybrid vigor" as the reason for their mixing?

Mijke posted a link to all the known CsV health issues - if a person is mixing with CsVs, they should be testing for all the diseases CsVs are known to carry too.

Can they post the results the health testing they have done on the mixed dogs, so to say objectively that such breeding is actually making the dogs healthier?

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

I am curious if the cross-breeders cite "hybrid vigor" as the reason for their mixing?

Mijke posted a link to all the known CsV health issues - if a person is mixing with CsVs, they should be testing for all the diseases CsVs are known to carry too.

Can they post the results the health testing they have done on the mixed dogs, so to say objectively that such breeding is actually making the dogs healthier?

its all an excuse!! alot of the cross breed owners here call their dogs pure as, 'quote'..... its the closest your gonna get to one!!!.... er no its not!!!!!

its all about £££££££

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

I would be very careful joining the above group the admin one named sandra curry is a main promoter of crossing czech and she has just breed czech with german shepard and is selling these as 'anglo wolfdogs' and many on this site are actually not breeding pure they are mixing them!! In my opinion this is truely shocking and the more I look the more shocking it is...

This is her website and links to all the other ones!!

http://www.sansorrella.com/breed%20information.htm

I see you are a member and post on here? same as the breeder that is mentioned throughout this link

I agree it would be great to find a like minded bunch in the uk that are not mixing this breed .... I THINK from what little i've seen its going to be hard to find breeders who dont dabble in mixing this breed in the UK...as each and everyone i've seen mix breed......along side 'pure breed'...hmmm lots of dabbling going on!!

u need to look at this anglo wolfdog site!!!!!!!!

Perhaps rather than trying to find the needle in the haystack wich is a breeder that doesn't mix, enthusiasts may be better off starting over again. Importing new bloodlines etc, not relying on the breeders here, even if they own a dog from one. I don't think the kc will take any application seriously, if those applying include people who actively pointlessly cross breed.
Yo

I too maynot own a csv yet, (though hope to be able to some day) but I'm prepared to help in anyway I can, to insure the breed gets the fresh start it deserves here.

Ref the anglo wulfdog breeder;

So you can see the sires a gsd cross to then? She wasn't happy when I mentioned it, she was sold him as a tamaskan,which annoyed the genuine tamaskan breeders, as he isn't and looks nothing like one. I genuinely thought she knew as well, after all, I recall the litter he came from had a pup in it, that was marked exactly like a black/silver grey gsd puppy...I've seen plenty of tamaskan puppy pics and not one has ever looked anything like that. But then, the parents of him were imported from a puppy mill in NC, so god only knows what they really were a mix of.

She swore she wouldn't use her csv to create mixes too and got all annoyed when I asked why...Why? she knew my opinion of those who mix their csvs, I wasn't going to make an exception for her.

Incase you didn't realise, I'm a member on her forum, though I've not posted since my temp ban ended. The above situation being the cause of that.


Taz

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Perhaps rather than trying to find the needle in the haystack wich is a breeder that doesn't mix, enthusiasts may be better off starting over again. Importing new bloodlines etc, not relying on the breeders here, even if they own a dog from one. I don't think the kc will take any application seriously, if those applying include people who actively pointlessly cross breed.

Agree and if any support needed, I'm sure there are many breeders and owners (including myself) who will try to help.

My advice to British solid owners and potential breeders who want to honestly develop the breed in the UK: go to CSV summer camps, meetings, bonitations with or without your dog and let yourself known to European vlcak community. Meet other owners and breeders, watch the dogs, compare, learn how they're trained and socialized, what problems are faced when raising them, etc. Not to mention that at such events you'll have the chance to learn things which are never put on-line. Lots of people speak English now, so there is no language barrier and cheap airlines are really conveniant for such purposes, especially that the events are announced so far ahead. Alternatively a few breed fans might share petrol costs and visit a couple of kennels on their way.... It often happens that wolfdog owners put up other wolfdog owners/lovers or help them find conveniant accommodation so the expenses do not necessarily have to be high, but the non-material gains IMO are huge.

This is exactly how Hedeon started his journey towards his own CSV and I think he does not regret it.

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Rona

My advice to British solid owners and potential breeders who want to honestly develop the breed in the UK: go to CSV summer camps, meetings, bonitations with or without your dog and let yourself known to European vlcak community. Meet other owners and breeders, watch the dogs, compare, learn how they're trained and socialized, what problems are faced when raising them, etc. Not to mention that at such events you'll have the chance to learn things which are never put on-line. Lots of people speak English now, so there is no language barrier and cheap airlines are really conveniant for such purposes, especially that the events are announced so far ahead. Alternatively a few breed fans might share petrol costs and visit a couple of kennels on their way.... It often happens that wolfdog owners put up other wolfdog owners/lovers or help them find conveniant accommodation so the expenses do not necessarily have to be high, but the non-material gains IMO are huge.

Once again, fantastic advice from Rona

And a warning about the lady mentioned above - I spoke with her before (better the devil you know ) and have learned that she is looking for a breeder to send her sperm to inseminate her female... Be warned!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

And a warning about the lady mentioned above - I spoke with her before (better the devil you know ) and have learned that she is looking for a breeder to send her sperm to inseminate her female...

Which female? A mix one or the one of unsure parenthood?

I can see how hard it will be to gather a group of honest enthusiasts who could trust each other, so that none of them will undermine the attempts from the inside.

This reminds me a bit of communist, pre-Solidarity times in my country...

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Rona

Which female? A mix one or the one of unsure parenthood?

I can see how hard it will be to gather a group of honest enthusiasts who could trust each other, so that none of them will undermine the attempts from the inside.

This reminds me a bit of communist, pre-Solidarity times in my country...

She has a Shoshone female, but is not listed on here as the owner due to a disagreement with the breeder, I think. I think it is litter sister of Layla's dog.

It is a bad situation in the UK, so a few strong, good people will be needed to support the group and keep everything on the straight and narrow (you know who I mean as one of them ).

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Rona

...My advice to British solid owners and potential breeders who want to honestly develop the breed in the UK: go to CSV summer camps, meetings, bonitations with or without your dog and let yourself known to European vlcak community. Meet other owners and breeders, watch the dogs, compare, learn how they're trained and socialized, what problems are faced when raising them, etc. Not to mention that at such events you'll have the chance to learn things which are never put on-line. Lots of people speak English now, so there is no language barrier and cheap airlines are really conveniant for such purposes, especially that the events are announced so far ahead. Alternatively a few breed fans might share petrol costs and visit a couple of kennels on their way.... It often happens that wolfdog owners put up other wolfdog owners/lovers or help them find conveniant accommodation so the expenses do not necessarily have to be high, but the non-material gains IMO are huge.

This is exactly how Hedeon started his journey towards his own CSV and I think he does not regret it.

I totally agree. It was amazing meeting. Same, with the dogs and the owners. I never even did expect such reception. Everyone was so friendly and helpful. People simply wanted to share all knowledge about these dogs, many offered support. And great party. As Rona says, anyone seriously considering a CSV definitely should go to one of these meetings. We regret that we do not live closer, as I would like to be there more often than we can.