British Kennel Club Recognition

Shadowlands · 20-09-2011, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Murph

Well there is the facebook page but its always pretty quiet on there!

Which FB page is that Murph? The only one I could find has died a death due to the infighting of the breeders... Maybe a new one needs to be started up to get a database of pure CsV's in the UK started?

yukidomari · 20-09-2011, 20:31

I wish the best of luck in getting CsV recognized in the UK. According to Hedeon's post on page 4 regarding recognition, the KC rules states the following info must be included:

- Names & addresses of UK owners/importers
- Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK
[ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated]
- Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations
- Proposed breeding plan and indication of available gene pool

Hopefully there will be some breeders in the future who can fulfill point 4, because surely a proposed breeding plan acceptable by the KC can not include cross breeding or mixing.

tupacs2legs · 21-09-2011, 11:46

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

I wish the best of luck in getting CsV recognized in the UK. According to Hedeon's post on page 4 regarding recognition, the KC rules states the following info must be included:

- Names & addresses of UK owners/importers
- Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK
[ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated]
- Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations
- Proposed breeding plan and indication of available gene pool

Hopefully there will be some breeders in the future who can fulfill point 4, because surely a proposed breeding plan acceptable by the KC can not include cross breeding or mixing.

would we need a certain 'persons' co operation? and where would we stand on the cw dogs are they from 'suspect' litters? that and at least two litters of said dogs are from 'c' rated hips....kinda bad way to start already!!!

and dont get get me started on the person that said 'they would only breed pure' with my dogs litter sister....breeders beware is all i can say!

Aranwen · 20-09-2011, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Which FB page is that Murph? The only one I could find has died a death due to the infighting of the breeders... Maybe a new one needs to be started up to get a database of pure CsV's in the UK started?

Excellent idea!

Vaiva · 20-09-2011, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Which FB page is that Murph? The only one I could find has died a death due to the infighting of the breeders... Maybe a new one needs to be started up to get a database of pure CsV's in the UK started?

Nice idea, but why on FB? Maybe here it is possible to name at least the dogs, then the breeding plan could be made by experienced CsW breeders together?

Shadowlands · 20-09-2011, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Nice idea, but why on FB? Maybe here it is possible to name at least the dogs, then the breeding plan could be made by experienced CsW breeders together?

I fully agree Vaiva, but maybe FB is less daunting at first to those in the UK (I have had many comments about anti-UK feelings on here - I personally don't see it, the comments are directed at individuals who, imo, deserve it not at UK owners). Once they have made contact via FB, they can be directed onto here. Another issue UK owners have is the way the new database describes their dogs as ''(possibly) a wolfdog from a non-FCI kennel'' - I'm sure there is a more diplomatic way to put it

After all, it isn't their fault that the KC doesn't recognise the breed...

We all need to help the core of true CsV lovers to thrive in the UK - that way the existing 'breeders' with bad practices will be shamed and (hopefully) find themselves out of business.

hedeon · 20-09-2011, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Another issue UK owners have is the way the new database describes their dogs as ''(possibly) a wolfdog from a non-FCI kennel''

I don't think it is insulting. It just says what it is, dog not registered with FCI. Which is true. I am sure that most of those dogs are pure CSV, but some are not. When they get registered with KC they will be allowed for breeding. How to separate them?

Shadowlands · 21-09-2011, 09:37

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Originally Posted by hedeon

I don't think it is insulting. It just says what it is, dog not registered with FCI. Which is true. I am sure that most of those dogs are pure CSV, but some are not. When they get registered with KC they will be allowed for breeding. How to separate them?

I agree that differentiation is needed, but not sure that the addition of ''(possibly) a wolfdog'' is entirely necessary at this stage - it would be enough to say that the dog comes from a non-FCI kennel and should not be used for breeding. It doesn't affect me directly, I can just see why some people are a little upset.

Interestingly, a dog owned by one of these 'breeders' (who doesn't even list all his puppies on here) is classed as suitable for breeding yet has NO health data at all, yet dogs who have all the necessary results are still listed as NOT suitable as ADMIN has not updated the results yet. Mixed messages?

tupacs2legs · 21-09-2011, 11:49

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Originally Posted by hedeon

I don't think it is insulting. It just says what it is, dog not registered with FCI. Which is true. I am sure that most of those dogs are pure CSV, but some are not. When they get registered with KC they will be allowed for breeding. How to separate them?

i disagree ,it IS insulting.... my dog is an unregistered csv not a 'possible csv' there is a big difference imo

hedeon · 21-09-2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i disagree ,it IS insulting.... my dog is an unregistered csv not a 'possible csv' there is a big difference imo

In such a case I did wrongly understood it as "possibly CSV from not-FCI registred kennel"

still CSV but from not FCI registred kennel

tupacs2legs · 21-09-2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by hedeon

In such a case I did wrongly understood it as "possibly CSV from not-FCI registred kennel"

still CSV but from not FCI registred kennel

ahh

'lost in translation' maybe?

20-09-2011, 20:31	#2
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	I wish the best of luck in getting CsV recognized in the UK. According to Hedeon's post on page 4 regarding recognition, the KC rules states the following info must be included: - Names & addresses of UK owners/importers - Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK [ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated] - Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations - Proposed breeding plan and indication of available gene pool Hopefully there will be some breeders in the future who can fulfill point 4, because surely a proposed breeding plan acceptable by the KC can not include cross breeding or mixing.