British Kennel Club Recognition

Rona · 03-09-2011, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Tassle

I got quite offended when they called my pure bred dog (not a Vlcak) an Inbred cripple!!.... because of course the other reason for crossing is that they (crosses) are always healthier.....

One might fear what they would call a pure vlcak?

I mean I have nothing against mixes or mongrels, we all know they make great pets! But I don't see any reason why producers of mixes call themselves breeders? The word "breed" indicates certain level of predictability of what one might expect from the dog he/she buys.

hedeon · 03-09-2011, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Rona

But I don't see any reason why producers of mixes call themselves breeders?

Probably more like lottery

BeatriceSlavinschi · 05-09-2011, 15:48

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

Vaiva · 06-09-2011, 09:56

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Originally Posted by BeatriceSlavinschi

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

BeatriceSlavinschi · 06-09-2011, 15:03

Very well.
I understand that he contacted other breeders too ... so it's obvious he has access to this database. I'm also waiting to find out what he really intends to, but that will be off course just personal conclusions of everyone of us.

tupacs2legs · 06-09-2011, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

yukidomari · 06-09-2011, 20:49

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

i agree completely! or even 'better', people who don't even know much about dogs in general (in addition to not knowing the breed) but wanting to create more..

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:36

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

Tassle · 10-09-2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

Whats a CVS??

tupacs2legs · 10-09-2011, 18:58

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Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

lol yes i wanted a csv not a cvs :-)

is what why?

i still have his emails,and i have nothing to hide...he kept changing his mind as to why(i have my own conclusions).....but also,the breeder i went to i had known previously for a few years,knew i was telling the truth and i would stand by my word..and i have...and i couldnt be happier with my dog :-)

why the animosity?

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:55

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

tupacs2legs · 10-09-2011, 19:04

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Originally Posted by kalcon

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

i know the history thanks

wot ,so its 'your dogs better than mine' because who bred it? lol you know nothing about me or my dogs...........you have to trust the breeder as well as the breeder trust the new owner,goes both ways.so what i went to another breeder,that does not make me untrustworthy.

anyway...sound jealous much?.

AMERICANI · 25-09-2011, 23:19

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Shadowlands · 26-09-2011, 08:24

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Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Americani, Thank you from all of us who care xx

To everyone else, I posted the above as a warning to others that there are still unscrupulous people out there and that this is what we are trying to change. As everyone has been agreeing, trust is what is needed and this is a prime example of deceit in work. Luckily no pure puppy from Europe ended up in this situation (they have a UK bred one now), but breeders in Europe, and the lovers of the breed doing great work in the UK, need to be cautious. Trust is difficult to earn and easy to lose, and unfortunately the bad actions of the few seem to have a more lasting effect than the good actions of the many.

Keep up all the great work getting the club organised and - eventually - getting KC recognition.

happyfeet · 07-09-2011, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

Are you actually sure that the person asked you of this as I have seen those emails, passed on to me today and I see no mention of your claims?

Shadowlands · 25-09-2011, 15:53

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding.

Well, if it is who I think it may be - he lied

His wife has just posted on FB that the male is going to be neutered (no indication of when), yet he stated that this had already been done.

Why can't people be honest and open in their dealings with breeders - it is no wonder that the suspicion lingers over enquiries from the UK

happyfeet · 25-09-2011, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Well, if it is who I think it may be - he lied

His wife has just posted on FB that the male is going to be neutered (no indication of when), yet he stated that this had already been done.

Why can't people be honest and open in their dealings with breeders - it is no wonder that the suspicion lingers over enquiries from the UK

Aww..perhaps if you,d asked the gentleman in question instead of presuming..im
On his FB and you would know that his male had a medical problem
And they had to reschedule this opp, shame you prefer to make
Such comments and its his sister!!! You see not his wife who
Doesnt have facebook..ive advised him to join, the fact is still his dog would be
Newted before his new addition comes.

Wouldnt like to see him miss represented as he is a really
Nice bloke...hope that clears your concerns christine!

happyfeet · 25-09-2011, 19:41

not wanting to butt in Christine, however it was rather unfair to give out incorrect information and divert the thread back to old and incorect news! especially when it was all looking positive and forum members were pulling together.

not having understanding this FC1 stuff although my girl is registered out of UK and spayed!! can she be of any assistance, I may be a novice to this site but having owned this breed in and out of the uk for over 10 years I may be of some help.. bit long in the tooth for forum stuff!! but may be of help in other ways as i am a mere owner and not breeder!

cheers

my names matthew if that helps you address me!

Tazer · 26-09-2011, 20:30

oh god, not that bloody documentary again. *Sighs* and to think she's making a sequel.

Considering the woman responsible for it:

Blamed the kc and dog showing community for what was wrong, but used dogs as examples that were neither shown or kc registered.

Used an imported gsd as an example of unethical English show dog breeding.

Admitted to edditing the interviews in order to make it look like certain people were saying things they weren't.

Refused to include interviews with certain breeders/breed clubs because it would portray pedegree dog breeders/the dog showing community in a positive light. Clearly she wasn't interested in giving people a balanced view.

Made absolutely no reference to puppy farms/mills and byb's, who are the people most likely to produce unhealthy, untypical examples of breeds, with little or no thought.

Wasted a brilliant oppertunity to raise some important issues and fairly educate the public, in favour of sensationalism.

Gave the puppy farmers and bybs a brilliant marketing ploy for their mass produced littrs, pure and cross breed alike.

I don't think I'll be payng much attention to what ever she has to say next, unless she can prove she didnt in anyway, eddit, missrepresent the evidence or down right lie about the subject.

Taz

25-09-2011, 23:19	#13
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK... Last edited by AMERICANI; 26-09-2011 at 00:10. Reason: missing information

26-09-2011, 20:30	#19
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	oh god, not that bloody documentary again. Sighs and to think she's making a sequel. Considering the woman responsible for it: Blamed the kc and dog showing community for what was wrong, but used dogs as examples that were neither shown or kc registered. Used an imported gsd as an example of unethical English show dog breeding. Admitted to edditing the interviews in order to make it look like certain people were saying things they weren't. Refused to include interviews with certain breeders/breed clubs because it would portray pedegree dog breeders/the dog showing community in a positive light. Clearly she wasn't interested in giving people a balanced view. Made absolutely no reference to puppy farms/mills and byb's, who are the people most likely to produce unhealthy, untypical examples of breeds, with little or no thought. Wasted a brilliant oppertunity to raise some important issues and fairly educate the public, in favour of sensationalism. Gave the puppy farmers and bybs a brilliant marketing ploy for their mass produced littrs, pure and cross breed alike. I don't think I'll be payng much attention to what ever she has to say next, unless she can prove she didnt in anyway, eddit, missrepresent the evidence or down right lie about the subject. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

05-09-2011, 15:48	#3
BeatriceSlavinschi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 29	Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person? I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time. Regards everyone, Beatrice.

06-09-2011, 15:03	#5
BeatriceSlavinschi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 29	Very well. I understand that he contacted other breeders too ... so it's obvious he has access to this database. I'm also waiting to find out what he really intends to, but that will be off course just personal conclusions of everyone of us.

25-09-2011, 19:41	#18
happyfeet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: on a farm Posts: 78	not wanting to butt in Christine, however it was rather unfair to give out incorrect information and divert the thread back to old and incorect news! especially when it was all looking positive and forum members were pulling together. not having understanding this FC1 stuff although my girl is registered out of UK and spayed!! can she be of any assistance, I may be a novice to this site but having owned this breed in and out of the uk for over 10 years I may be of some help.. bit long in the tooth for forum stuff!! but may be of help in other ways as i am a mere owner and not breeder! cheers my names matthew if that helps you address me!