WHy do you love the CSV?

Gypsy Wolf · 07-07-2011, 19:06

I totally agree that NO DOG should be selected just because of the way they look. The same thing happens with other breeds - not just vlcaks - where the buyers like the "look" of a dog but do not take the time to research what they are really about.
I just think it is unfair to say it is "wrong" to be attracted to the looks of a vlcak - that is part of the package - part of their beauty. Part of their mystique.

07-07-2011, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

I totally agree that NO DOG should be selected just because of the way they look. The same thing happens with other breeds - not just vlcaks - where the buyers like the "look" of a dog but do not take the time to research what they are really about.
I just think it is unfair to say it is "wrong" to be attracted to the looks of a vlcak - that is part of the package - part of their beauty. Part of their mystique.

I don't think anyone ever meant it that way.

I think they were just talking about how it shouldn't be the ONLY factor in choosing the breed. If I remember correctly, that thread was about the possible mixes in some lines? And it was said, what does it matter if the dog is a mix if all you were looking for was a wolfy looking dog, right? (Sorry, sometimes it's hard to keep ALL of this info straight!) But anyway, if that's the case, it's a matter of breed integrity, you should want the breed because of the predictable temperament as much as the look of the dog. You shouldn't say to hell with it, and throw the dogs' function right out the window, just because you don't give a crap about it.

Gypsy Wolf · 08-07-2011, 00:29

Agreed! With my own dogs, and the very limited breeding I have done, I think the most important quality of the dogs/pedigree and future pups is temperament. I want the correct character in the breed, stability (often hard to come by in my favored breeds), and the ability to "think" as opposed to "react"... and an "off button" is good, too. Skitzy behavior is unacceptable to me.
Health is also a huge factor - I do just about every test imaginable on my breeding stock - hips, elbows, patellas, eyes, heart, thyroid, DM - and making sure their physical conformation is sound is critical.
One of my concerns is the future of the vlcak in the United States. As Marcy co-owns Luna, I am more than happy to have her make the breeding decisions. Right now I have not decided on exactly what I am looking for when it comes to vlcaks... do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness? Or do I select for more bold personalities to "Americanize" the breed a little as so many of them are likely to end up as family companions? Certainly, as in my other breeds, confidence and stability are critical to me - I want my dogs to be known for solid, sound temperaments, and it remains to be seen how challenging developing those characteristics will be given our limited gene pool...

08-07-2011, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Right now I have not decided on exactly what I am looking for when it comes to vlcaks... do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness? Or do I select for more bold personalities to "Americanize" the breed a little as so many of them are likely to end up as family companions?

Well, I think your answer right here is in the breed standard.

Regardless of whether it shows up in dogs, shyness in the breed is a disqualifying fault. Therefor, I would think it only natural to breed away from that and towards a more outgoing, stable temperament. Also, for me personally, I feel an aptitude for scent trailing would be a fantastic focus as far as work is concerned. It's something the breed was meant to do, it's something that a more independent working temperament lends itself to (thinking as opposed to blind obedience), and it's a fun activity for both the dog and owner.

Honestly, this temperament is what solidified the breed as the one for me, even though their unique appearance is what lead me to look them up in the first place.

tupacs2legs · 08-07-2011, 01:37

HOws about meeting a few more before even thinking of breeding?

Imo you can't (or shouldn't) 'americanize' the csv its not american! You breed to the breed standard not to what suits you...you don't like it its not the breed for u.

Rona · 08-07-2011, 08:45

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

HOws about meeting a few more before even thinking of breeding?

Imo you can't (or shouldn't) 'americanize' the csv its not american! You breed to the breed standard not to what suits you...you don't like it its not the breed for u.

Layla, discussing with somebody like Lunasmom is uselss. It's a complete waste of time. She knows everything about European vlcaks though she has met hardly any.

From what she writes here I can't help feeling that an average sensitive European vlcak owner knows more about his/her dogs' behaviour and training than this "superb trainer and ethologist", and still, their egoes retain at much more decent levels.

Being fed up with this cheap comedy I'm out of the discussions on Pollux, US breeding, etc. Enough is enough

One last piece of advice: don't ask a question guys, if you know what ONE answer you want to get. Will save a lot of other people's time.

Nebulosa · 08-07-2011, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness?

What?!

I wonder how many european dogs you've met at europe and where you've met these dogs, because it's completely different of what I saw there.

PS: BRUCH I removed your post because it could be interpret as an "stealth advertisement" which is not allowed here.

saschia · 09-07-2011, 11:49

Really, Lunas Mum, what do you consider European in this case? Because if you look at dogs from the countries of origin (Slovakia and Czech republic - just a bith north from Vienna for the map orientation), you could see that we have the strictest rules which say that shy animals are not allowed in the breeding.

Murph · 09-07-2011, 19:48

'the CSV is the perfect "point" where "wolf" became "dog" '
...I thought I knew what you meant by this statement and fully agreed with you....then you said this...

'do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness? Or do I select for more bold personalities to "Americanize" the breed ......!

09-07-2011, 11:49	#8
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Really, Lunas Mum, what do you consider European in this case? Because if you look at dogs from the countries of origin (Slovakia and Czech republic - just a bith north from Vienna for the map orientation), you could see that we have the strictest rules which say that shy animals are not allowed in the breeding. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

07-07-2011, 19:06	#1
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	I totally agree that NO DOG should be selected just because of the way they look. The same thing happens with other breeds - not just vlcaks - where the buyers like the "look" of a dog but do not take the time to research what they are really about. I just think it is unfair to say it is "wrong" to be attracted to the looks of a vlcak - that is part of the package - part of their beauty. Part of their mystique.

08-07-2011, 00:29	#3
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Agreed! With my own dogs, and the very limited breeding I have done, I think the most important quality of the dogs/pedigree and future pups is temperament. I want the correct character in the breed, stability (often hard to come by in my favored breeds), and the ability to "think" as opposed to "react"... and an "off button" is good, too. Skitzy behavior is unacceptable to me. Health is also a huge factor - I do just about every test imaginable on my breeding stock - hips, elbows, patellas, eyes, heart, thyroid, DM - and making sure their physical conformation is sound is critical. One of my concerns is the future of the vlcak in the United States. As Marcy co-owns Luna, I am more than happy to have her make the breeding decisions. Right now I have not decided on exactly what I am looking for when it comes to vlcaks... do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness? Or do I select for more bold personalities to "Americanize" the breed a little as so many of them are likely to end up as family companions? Certainly, as in my other breeds, confidence and stability are critical to me - I want my dogs to be known for solid, sound temperaments, and it remains to be seen how challenging developing those characteristics will be given our limited gene pool...

08-07-2011, 01:37	#5
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	HOws about meeting a few more before even thinking of breeding? Imo you can't (or shouldn't) 'americanize' the csv its not american! You breed to the breed standard not to what suits you...you don't like it its not the breed for u.

09-07-2011, 19:48	#9
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	'the CSV is the perfect "point" where "wolf" became "dog" ' ...I thought I knew what you meant by this statement and fully agreed with you....then you said this... 'do I retain the European character that accepts less social behavior which might lead to shyness? Or do I select for more bold personalities to "Americanize" the breed ......!