Health results (also DM!!) in the Wolfdog.org database

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Heart Check will be a problem, has it been done by a specialist, what kind of heart check has been done?
And the same as with eye check, when has it been done? It is useless if it isn´t done on regular terms as every year.
And what do you mean with MH?
And looking a the gene test like DM and Dwarf, all researchers told us not to publish any results because of witch-hunts and lowering of the gene pools. We have tested our dogs but will not publish any result no matter if negativ or positiv, I can send you the certificates but will not agree to publishing them.
And talking about it will you please remove Lorenz Farouks N/N DM result as Sarka has published it without our permission? It is a good example for the problem in itself as she was not as keen on publishing other results that haven´t been that positiv for her kennel I know of.

I am for publishing HD, ED, Eye results and Heart results (when it is with the actual datas and updated in time and not as it works now) but I am against publishing gene tests of diseases that are still under research as my experiences show the advise of the experts has been right.
Maybe it would be better not to publish litters without gene-tested parents after a period that gives the breeders time to test?

Ina

[admin]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Heart Check will be a problem, has it been done by a specialist, what kind of heart check has been done?

I know there are some veterinary clinics which offer "official" (their own) certificates.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And the same as with eye check, when has it been done? It is useless if it isn´t done on regular terms as every year.

It is what I forgot to write - it is exactly why we ask for the copies. By the eye examination we will also publish the date when the check was done. By other results we will post name of the veterinarian/clinic/lab who made the evaluation.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And what do you mean with MH?

Malignant hyperthermia

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And looking a the gene test like DM and Dwarf, all researchers told us not to publish any results because of which hunts and lowering of the gene pools.

Yes, I understand it. Because of it the owners/breeders will be able to choose who will see the results given by them. There are four options planned:
1- the result will be visible to everyone
2- the results will be visible only to registered breeders
3- the results will be visible to "trusted" people
4- the result will be not visible and used only for statistics
(exception is HD/ED - it will be showed to everyone).

About point 3.: I was thinking to give access to people chosen by the official breed clubs (breeding comittee members, a.s.o). They will be able to see more results than even registered breeders (but still the will be not able to see "hidden" results)

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

We have tested our dogs but will not publish any result no matter if negativ or positiv, I can send you the certificates but will not agree to publishing them.

It is no problem for me. Every result is important - even if it will stay hidden in the database it will be useful for the breed statistics.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And talking about it will you please remove Lorenz Farouks N/N DM result as Sarka has published it without our permission? It is a good example for the problem in itself as she was not as keen on publishing other results that haven´t been that positiv for her kennel I know of.

It will be done so. The result will be not published - it will stay hidden.

I understand the whole problem: honest breeders publishing all test results will be always injured in comparison to breeders who publish only good results. Honest people will be always goal of witch hunts while not so serious breeders will hide even the worsest results.
It is while I'm for giving owners/breeders the possibility to hide the results (or show them to chosen groups of people).

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Maybe it would be better not to publish litters without gene-tested parents after a period that gives the breeders time to test?

Yes, it is good idea. We need only a group of "experts" (well informed people) who will be able to prepare reasonable time table: what and till when must be done. It is important to give breeders enough time to make the tests.

[woland77]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And looking a the gene test like DM and Dwarf, all researchers told us not to publish any results because of witch-hunts and lowering of the gene pools.

Ina

Professor Gandini, leading expert of DM in Italy, and one of the largest in Europe, is not contrary to the publication of the data.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Well one forum-member here already made the experience that he better wouldn´t have published.
And Bern one of the leading Universities in Europe, not only in genetics, did tell us not to publish.

I don´t care that much about dwarfism but we don´t know very much about DM at this moment, it is very likely that the genes are only one factor and they might not be the only genes causing DM. Nobody knows at this moment. To select on that only gene might proof wrong in future. There are breeds with an autosomal recessiv gene for DM, in humans there are several different ways of heritage. If people start to avoid carriers at this moment they might cause worse problems in future.
It is important to test dogs and take care not to mate DM with DM but nobody is at the moment able to give any good breeding advices but the witch hunt already did start. This is not in the interest of the breed.

And as I have made the same experiences Bern did as a veterinary surgeon I will not publish any of our results no matter what it is but will take care with breeding and of course will tell the result to any mating partner or puppy buyer, we don´t keep them secretly but we see them to sensible to be published in an open forum.
As I am involved in building up a DNA-database and getting blood samples for research on an international basis I will surely not give any informations I get to anybody not involved in breeding management or research. This is unthinkable for any serious scientist or medic person. If the owner gives the informations by himself that´s fine for me but he is the only person that has the right to do this.

We made this decision out of very long experience with this kind of datas, I can understand your point of view and shared it in former times but had to learn it only works this way - if at all.

Ina

[Mikael]

DM tested : Yes

or

DM tested : No

DM tested : Free Parants

Can this work better ???

The important thing is to not mate untested dogs right ???
If not to a free one of cuorse...

Very best regards / Mikael