Stud dogs - IMPORTANT!!!!

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

..... German and other wolfdogs, who are being happily bred on without HD results?

You are wrong, Mirka. There is no German breeder (listed on wolfdog.org) who is breeding without HD results.

Angelika

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by AngelikaMenzel

You are wrong, Mirka. There is no German breeder (listed on wolfdog.org) who is breeding without HD results.
Angelika

I did not say, that that there was at the moment any German breeder listed, did I?

[massimo]

there may be a misunderstanding so ... let's try to understand:
Margo, will litters WITHOUT official HD results, may that be in slovakia or italy or germany or lithuania or werever, be published in the near future?
Like the two mentioned by Mirka for example.
i believe that her statement is undoubtly correct:
"For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia. "
So, just a straightforward question:
I think, in this case, the luckiest of all will be actually the italians, because margo can check easily the HD results or we can just send a hardcopy of the official data on site.
Because, if i'm not wrong, margo said that NO HD will be considered official if the written proof is not shown.
Please let us know your position.
massimo

[Margo]

But you will not kick Slovakian one, because YOU know, the dogs are probably x-rayed.
No wonder, some people get seriously pissed about this.
No HD results, no advertisement. For everyone. That would be equal.

I did not say, that that there was at the moment any German breeder listed, did I?

You wrote about Slovakian litters but the same is with litter of Michael:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/696.html
and Helena:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/678.html

You would like to kick both litter out only because publishing of litter advertisment goes faster than updating the database (both males are HD-checked, both HD-A but the results are not visible in the dabase at the moment)...

I really do not mean cases where I THINK the dogs have hips checked but dogs where I KNOW the dogs are checked...

But to be honest we speak about TWO things only at the moment - kennel list and stud dog list: there will be NO stud dogs on the list which are not x-rayed. And there will be no kennels listed which have female without HD (of course it apply only the breeders whic own one female).
X-rayed dog is not a dog which is PROBABLY x-rayed. But a dog where we have CHECKED information and proofs it IS x-rayed.

So for example we will not BAN dogs like Art because I have the COPY of the x-rays of Art (HD-A) and the only problem is the database is not updated... He is not PROBABLY HD-A but he is for 100% HD-A.... We will not punish people for the problems connected with update of the database....

Originally Posted by massimo

Because, if i'm not wrong, margo said that NO HD will be considered official if the written proof is not shown.

Exactly.... at the moment we are checking the dogs - to verify almost 10.000 wolfdogs will take a while but finally I thing the results which we get already are more than satisfactory. Leater we will verify the working certificates...

Not everything is working great, and not everything is wonderful and fine. Wolfdog.org will be NEVER finished - when we will make something we will find 100 new things which we will try to add here...
At the moment we will make two changes - I think for good. Maybe some more will come. But it is not about PUNISHING people... Sure we can already tell we will publish ONLY litters where the dogs have HD-check, ED-check, bonitation, PRA-check, 40 km run, some show titels and at last one passed working exams. But how many litters will be on this list?

The idea for the changes was following - to HELP the people.
Which responsible breeder would use a stud dog without a HD-check? NOONE. So we removed the chaff from the stud dog list...
This way we removed from the kennels list all 'accidental' breeders. It was not though to remove as many as possible...
About the litter list: so far we didn't advertised litter of non-FCI kennels. And there are two more changes - we will not advertise litters from kennels which breed mixes of all kinds and dogs of unknown origin... We will not advertise info of litters from kennels which do not send any info about the puppies, which only are interested in selling puppies and make profits....

We have much more ideas, maybe there will be more ideas given by the users, maybe it will be possible to ad some of them... Maybe... anyway not at the moment...

[dog_cooker]

Margo this is an ingenious idea. This will not only perpetuate Czw as a purebreed but, spread the breed across the world(even more so than now). People who want to buy a healthy purebreed Czechoslovakian WOLFDOG will have a place to come to and can be assured that there are no mix breeds. Plus a place to tell them everything about a Czw. This will make it easier for people to buy in turn making more money for the breeders. Even though i know most of you guys (and I) advocate learning about the breed before buying. I would already consider this fourm/website the centrifuge of the Czw. Now more so than ever.
About the updating of the website. I think that you should wait for the breeders that havent had time to send you the new requirements. Maybe send a email to them all or posting a deadline. then after take a day-off work and situate this major task. I know more easier said than done.
Another thought about these Mix bred Czw, maybe you guys can make a SEPARATE forum and have a link in this forum. Stateing that they are MIX breeds. Im sure there are people that want something like a cwz but with maybe different characteristics. Probably the reason why the breeders began doing this.
Anyways i just wanted to say that this is a great idea. i cant wait till its done so i can buy a Czw. Keep up the good work.

[Hanka]

Hello Margo, Przemek.
I have one question: you wrote, on the list of males for breeding will be dogs for breeding. Now I see on the list of italian males, there are 128 males for breeding. But I see, there are males without bonitation code, without X-ray results, with disqualificed bonitation code...... Really in Italy is 13 males for breeding only. Why are in the list 115 males more? They are not for breeding, they are wolfdogs only. (I know, maybe they are for breeding in Italy, but it is not what we want......) Not all exist males are good for breeding. We don´t want quantity, but quality.
But it is not situation on italian list only......
Thanks for your explain.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Margo, Przemek.
I have one question: you wrote, on the list of males for breeding will be dogs for breeding. Now I see on the list of italian males, there are 128 males for breeding. But I see, there are males without bonitation code, without X-ray results, with disqualificed bonitation code...... Really in Italy is 13 males for breeding only. Why are in the list 115 males more? They are not for breeding, they are wolfdogs only. (I know, maybe they are for breeding in Italy, but it is not what we want......) Not all exist males are good for breeding. We don´t want quantity, but quality.
But it is not situation on italian list only......
Thanks for your explain.

Please don't forget that "youth" bonitation code allows dogs to be present in this list but everybody knows that Youth bonitation code is NOT a bonitation code...many dogs from many countries, not only italy...would disappear!!
there was also the idea to publish on wd ONLY the litters from parents with all the requested data: bonitation (ADULT one...), verified HD results....
if this happens more than half of the published litters disappear....
massimo