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13-09-2007, 23:57
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 We have equality of rights for the same apply also to females...  Females with UNKNOWN origin and without HD-results will be no more marked as "breeding bitches". IMPORTANT - breeders which own females without HD-check will DISSAPEAR from the kennel list... I verified the results by ENCI and removed ONLY females which are not in their database... So most of you do not have the reason to worry about...  So - if you have a stud dog with HD-check and he is NOT on the stud dog list 'Elenco dei riproduttori' ....OR..... you are a breeder and you are not on the kennel list 'Allevatori' please get in contact with us so we can fix it.... About the HD-results - you can submit them on three different ways: 1) You can scan the result and send it via email 2) You can make a photo of the result and send it via email 3) you can make a copy and send it as a letter to us |
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14-09-2007, 11:57
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Right now, at this moment, Wolfdog.org has no problem to advertise Slovak litters with parents without known HD result: http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/litters/702.html http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/litters/707.html |
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14-09-2007, 12:39
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Anyway it was not the reason... We had this idea already 2 years ago but first now we have finally the possibility to make the changes... More will follow... Quote:
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14-09-2007, 12:59
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For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia. The same way, some Italian dog or other dog can have HD results, but the owner had "problems to update Wolfdog.org on the results", for example. You will kick that litter out. But you will not kick Slovakian one, because YOU know, the dogs are probably x-rayed. No wonder, some people get seriously pissed about this. No HD results, no advertisement. For everyone. That would be equal. |
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14-09-2007, 17:03
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For other litters I think that is simple too for the breeder to send a copy of HD results to WD to have this litter published.Even if the databsse is not updated ! I think we all should respect MORE the hard work of the webmasters of this site. (Is not to you Mirkawolf, but too often we read something bad about WD on italian forum  )
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14-09-2007, 17:12
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I have an idea about the hard work on this site and also the reasons, that made him to give up on it 
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14-09-2007, 16:42
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14-09-2007, 17:06
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14-09-2007, 17:16
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there may be a misunderstanding so ... let's try to understand:
Margo, will litters WITHOUT official HD results, may that be in slovakia or italy or germany or lithuania or werever, be published in the near future? Like the two mentioned by Mirka for example. i believe that her statement is undoubtly correct: "For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia. " So, just a straightforward question: I think, in this case, the luckiest of all will be actually the italians, because margo can check easily the HD results or we can just send a hardcopy of the official data on site. Because, if i'm not wrong, margo said that NO HD will be considered official if the written proof is not shown. Please let us know your position. massimo
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14-09-2007, 21:00
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http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/696.html and Helena: http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/678.html You would like to kick both litter out only because publishing of litter advertisment goes faster than updating the database (both males are HD-checked, both HD-A but the results are not visible in the dabase at the moment)... I really do not mean cases where I THINK the dogs have hips checked but dogs where I KNOW the dogs are checked... But to be honest we speak about TWO things only at the moment - kennel list and stud dog list: there will be NO stud dogs on the list which are not x-rayed. And there will be no kennels listed which have female without HD (of course it apply only the breeders whic own one female). X-rayed dog is not a dog which is PROBABLY x-rayed. But a dog where we have CHECKED information and proofs it IS x-rayed. So for example we will not BAN dogs like Art because I have the COPY of the x-rays of Art (HD-A) and the only problem is the database is not updated... He is not PROBABLY HD-A but he is for 100% HD-A.... We will not punish people for the problems connected with update of the database....  Quote:
Not everything is working great, and not everything is wonderful and fine. Wolfdog.org will be NEVER finished - when we will make something we will find 100 new things which we will try to add here... At the moment we will make two changes - I think for good. Maybe some more will come. But it is not about PUNISHING people... Sure we can already tell we will publish ONLY litters where the dogs have HD-check, ED-check, bonitation, PRA-check, 40 km run, some show titels and at last one passed working exams. But how many litters will be on this list? The idea for the changes was following - to HELP the people. Which responsible breeder would use a stud dog without a HD-check? NOONE. So we removed the chaff from the stud dog list... This way we removed from the kennels list all 'accidental' breeders. It was not though to remove as many as possible... About the litter list: so far we didn't advertised litter of non-FCI kennels. And there are two more changes - we will not advertise litters from kennels which breed mixes of all kinds and dogs of unknown origin... We will not advertise info of litters from kennels which do not send any info about the puppies, which only are interested in selling puppies and make profits.... We have much more ideas, maybe there will be more ideas given by the users, maybe it will be possible to ad some of them... Maybe... anyway not at the moment...
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15-09-2007, 20:05
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Margo this is an ingenious idea. This will not only perpetuate Czw as a purebreed but, spread the breed across the world(even more so than now). People who want to buy a healthy purebreed Czechoslovakian WOLFDOG will have a place to come to and can be assured that there are no mix breeds. Plus a place to tell them everything about a Czw. This will make it easier for people to buy in turn making more money for the breeders. Even though i know most of you guys (and I) advocate learning about the breed before buying. I would already consider this fourm/website the centrifuge of the Czw. Now more so than ever.
About the updating of the website. I think that you should wait for the breeders that havent had time to send you the new requirements. Maybe send a email to them all or posting a deadline. then after take a day-off work and situate this major task. I know more easier said than done. Another thought about these Mix bred Czw, maybe you guys can make a SEPARATE forum and have a link in this forum. Stateing that they are MIX breeds. Im sure there are people that want something like a cwz but with maybe different characteristics. Probably the reason why the breeders began doing this. Anyways i just wanted to say that this is a great idea. i cant wait till its done so i can buy a Czw. Keep up the good work.
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