British Kennel Club Recognition

hedeon · 03-09-2011, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Rona

But I don't see any reason why producers of mixes call themselves breeders?

Probably more like lottery

BeatriceSlavinschi · 05-09-2011, 15:48

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

Vaiva · 06-09-2011, 09:56

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Originally Posted by BeatriceSlavinschi

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

BeatriceSlavinschi · 06-09-2011, 15:03

Very well.
I understand that he contacted other breeders too ... so it's obvious he has access to this database. I'm also waiting to find out what he really intends to, but that will be off course just personal conclusions of everyone of us.

tupacs2legs · 06-09-2011, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

yukidomari · 06-09-2011, 20:49

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

i agree completely! or even 'better', people who don't even know much about dogs in general (in addition to not knowing the breed) but wanting to create more..

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:36

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

Tassle · 10-09-2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

Whats a CVS??

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Whats a CVS??

sorry my mistake is it csv not to worry bit like your wolfdog bit of a mix up,,,,,,,,,,,,

tupacs2legs · 10-09-2011, 18:58

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Originally Posted by kalcon

yes that is true is that why ronnie winder refused to sell you a CVS and you then went to another breeder and got one, if this guy refused you a cvs he must of had dam good reason for when he vetted me it took 6 weeks and he even came to see my home and where i was going to keep my dog......

lol yes i wanted a csv not a cvs :-)

is what why?

i still have his emails,and i have nothing to hide...he kept changing his mind as to why(i have my own conclusions).....but also,the breeder i went to i had known previously for a few years,knew i was telling the truth and i would stand by my word..and i have...and i couldnt be happier with my dog :-)

why the animosity?

yukidomari · 10-09-2011, 22:56

When someone is banned from forum is it ok so make another screen name to post under?

Nebulosa · 10-09-2011, 23:16

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Originally Posted by Kalkon

,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

Dont you wonder why?
The same heroic breeder who fought to save the breed from the evil DEFRA law was able to sell a dog mixed with her American Wolf to Germany not long ago.
He introduced the breed in UK with De Louba Tar & co dogs for after a fight (and only after it) he comes up pointing the finger for this breeder because of abused dogs due horrible conditions of the kennel and mixes by her.
But the best was the history of Tamaskans & Northern Inuit dogs, some friends of this reputable heroic UK breeder showed up at this forum or let its footprints at his webpage, we soon realize that they were all breeders of the most pure and with no wolf content Tamaskans and Northern Inuit dogs, even if we all suspected that some of these "tamaskans" were or mixes of CzW and Saarloos or even pure animals, soon after DEFRA change all these breeder - before completely against wolf content in their dogs - changed their webpages to breeder of multiple breeds, including SWH and CzW, togheter with wolf mixes, Tamaskan and some other "wolfy breeds".
We can imagine the size of the problem it caused not only to CzW and SwH but to Tamaskan and Northern Inuit Breed as well.
Without comment about the behave of this very heroic and reputable breeder at this forum.

As you can see it was a quite "magical" and "funny time". At this forum we were gifted with some pearls coming from the madness of this heroic breeder.

At the end wolfdog people had enough of him at the point to whish DEFRA never had changed the law.

Thanks to him good breeders are mainly reluctant to send dogs to UK.

PS: The funny thing, if not deceive me, is that the same heroic breeder said to everyone that he had special license to have these dogs and mixes.

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:55

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i find it very annoying and very sad,that people want to breed first and foremost,rather than living with and learning about the breed.

to buy a rare breed for the whole attention of breeding means only one thing to me

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

tupacs2legs · 10-09-2011, 19:04

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Originally Posted by kalcon

the guy who introduced the cvs to uk sold his home in uk to go live in europe to learn and be with wolfdogs, he owned pure wolves in Ireland from the age of 15, when he got the cvs to uk he had to move house and hide his dogs from the authorities, he risked twice being sent to jail because he hid his wolfdogs and would not tell where they where, he took a cvs to crufts in 2003 and got it in the back door to try and promote the breed, his home has been raided by the authorities 4 times over the years trying to get his dogs, he took on defra and in 2008 got the law in uk changed so now you all can have wolfdogs, all this was done so this guy could own a CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG, you just you just nipped down the road when all the work was done and purchased one from another breeder because the guy would not sell you one,,, are you a trusted person to contact in uk????

i know the history thanks

wot ,so its 'your dogs better than mine' because who bred it? lol you know nothing about me or my dogs...........you have to trust the breeder as well as the breeder trust the new owner,goes both ways.so what i went to another breeder,that does not make me untrustworthy.

anyway...sound jealous much?.

Tazer · 11-09-2011, 13:23

Why if they loved the breed so much and went through all that effort fighting to have them removed from the DWAL, would they then cross them with wolves etc?

What possible good could/has it had for the csv breed, both here in the uk and as a whole?

Or, is it just a case of supply and demand?

Oh and has it occured to you that perhaps the reason why other people haven't imported already, is because they might want a puppy, as opposed to a juvinile or adult.

P.s.

Tupac's owner is the kind of person I want to see breeding in this country, there might be some hope for the breed here then. As it stands, all I see now is a mess, that needs cleaning up.

Taz

AMERICANI · 25-09-2011, 23:19

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Shadowlands · 26-09-2011, 08:24

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Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Americani, Thank you from all of us who care xx

To everyone else, I posted the above as a warning to others that there are still unscrupulous people out there and that this is what we are trying to change. As everyone has been agreeing, trust is what is needed and this is a prime example of deceit in work. Luckily no pure puppy from Europe ended up in this situation (they have a UK bred one now), but breeders in Europe, and the lovers of the breed doing great work in the UK, need to be cautious. Trust is difficult to earn and easy to lose, and unfortunately the bad actions of the few seem to have a more lasting effect than the good actions of the many.

Keep up all the great work getting the club organised and - eventually - getting KC recognition.

Nebulosa · 26-09-2011, 08:57

Vaiva had let clear before that the "said person" is reading this topic, if someone is telling a lie he can register here and reply personaly, anyway it's mainly of his interess to convince Vaiva (and others breeders) that he is an reliable person to have a pup from her breeding.

This topic is a bit important to UK, as I could see here there are some problems for the future UK breeders and also the "breed lovers" to solve, if he really wants to breed pure CzW we expect him to at least help with it.

happyfeet · 07-09-2011, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding. Anyway, before that his answer to my long e-mail about the meaning of pedigree dogs and about the importance to widen breed's genopool but not to make mixes, was "interesting point of view"

So... everyone can make ones own conclusions. I invited him to register here and tell his own possition.

Are you actually sure that the person asked you of this as I have seen those emails, passed on to me today and I see no mention of your claims?

Shadowlands · 25-09-2011, 15:53

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, this person just contacted me again, shouting that he read this topic and he feels I am writting about him. He states the his male is neutered and he is in fact looking for a purebred female for purebred breeding.

Well, if it is who I think it may be - he lied

His wife has just posted on FB that the male is going to be neutered (no indication of when), yet he stated that this had already been done.

Why can't people be honest and open in their dealings with breeders - it is no wonder that the suspicion lingers over enquiries from the UK

11-09-2011, 13:23	#15
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	Why if they loved the breed so much and went through all that effort fighting to have them removed from the DWAL, would they then cross them with wolves etc? What possible good could/has it had for the csv breed, both here in the uk and as a whole? Or, is it just a case of supply and demand? Oh and has it occured to you that perhaps the reason why other people haven't imported already, is because they might want a puppy, as opposed to a juvinile or adult. P.s. Tupac's owner is the kind of person I want to see breeding in this country, there might be some hope for the breed here then. As it stands, all I see now is a mess, that needs cleaning up. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

25-09-2011, 23:19	#16
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK... Last edited by AMERICANI; 26-09-2011 at 00:10. Reason: missing information

26-09-2011, 08:57	#18
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Vaiva had let clear before that the "said person" is reading this topic, if someone is telling a lie he can register here and reply personaly, anyway it's mainly of his interess to convince Vaiva (and others breeders) that he is an reliable person to have a pup from her breeding. This topic is a bit important to UK, as I could see here there are some problems for the future UK breeders and also the "breed lovers" to solve, if he really wants to breed pure CzW we expect him to at least help with it. __________________ Last edited by Nebulosa; 26-09-2011 at 09:00.

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05-09-2011, 15:48	#2
BeatriceSlavinschi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 29	Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person? I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time. Regards everyone, Beatrice.

06-09-2011, 15:03	#4
BeatriceSlavinschi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 29	Very well. I understand that he contacted other breeders too ... so it's obvious he has access to this database. I'm also waiting to find out what he really intends to, but that will be off course just personal conclusions of everyone of us.

10-09-2011, 22:56	#11
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	When someone is banned from forum is it ok so make another screen name to post under?