DM Testresults

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Is it possible someone made an assumption based on his offspring? I am being lazy and haven't looked at the list just now.

But, for instance was he bred to a female N/N, and they made puppies who were both N/N and DM/N? According to DNA rules by many places, it is ok to make this assumption without a test.

Yes, I think so, but if's this who add is being unfair with my dogs! why only Iran? We also know in this way that Jezebeth is DM/N because Jolly is N/N and Baron DM/DM.
I will only wonder about Mona (which can be DM/N or N/N as her brother is N/N) and Oskar.
If we start to put the results like that Mijke will need to add a new classification at the list.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Yes, I think so, but if's this who add is being unfair with my dogs! why only Iran? We also know in this way that Jezebeth is DM/N because Jolly is N/N and Baron DM/DM.
I will only wonder about Mona (which can be DM/N or N/N as her brother is N/N) and Oskar.
If we start to put the results like that Mijke will need to add a new classification at the list.

yes exactly - maybe better make news signs like "this dogs can be this when hes - parents/child - are this or this N?

[BRUCH]

Chett Maly Bysterec is N/N, whit test

Obra Arimminum is N/N, from eligo and ambra all two N/N

so all the litter L and N from kennel Lupi del Montale are N/N


bye


www.lupidelmontale.it

[saschia]

I think it would be correct to post results of parents/offspring based on the knowledge of test results of offspring/parents only if parentage tests were performed and positive. Otherwise it is always only assumption and can be easily misused (like the fake pedigrees). Or, in case of widely-used studs (dams) it may be posted, but separately, and saying clearly that these are not results of DNA tests, only assumption.

[GalomyOak]

Below is the policy for the OFFA on genetics. Please note, it is ok to list a first generation dog as "clear by parentage" (marked with "CBP" in official results) if both parents have been tested. OFFA will only give this to first generation dogs, recognizing that our science is still limited and mutations are possible. They require testing for the next generations.
http://offa.org/cbp.html

[BRUCH]

if someone wont to do some assumption of berseker z peronowki:
jolly z molu es :N/N mum
botis z peronowki :N/N brother
ezar del montale : N/N son


bye

www.lupidelmontale.it

[saschia]

You cannot say dog is N/N from these. You cannot even say for sure dog is N/N if all his offspring after N/DM (or N/N) mother is N/N. You can assume a dog is N/N only if both his parents are certified N/N. The same goes for DM/DM.

You can assume with good certainty that dog is N/DM from the offspring, if you have all kinds of offspring (both N/N or DM/DM), or if you have N/DM dogs from N/N or DM/DM mothers. So to know the results of your dog it is easier to have it tested, rather than test a lot of it's offspring.

Although the genes behave statistically (meaning from N/N x N/DM crossing you should have 50% N/N and 50% N/DM offspring), you cannot say for sure that father (or mother) is N/N, if it produces only N/N puppies, as you are not sure you have tested all it's offspring (not all pups are tested, and maybe some pups died in utero). If after 10 years of producing N/N pups one of the offspring is N/DM, it can invalidate your previous assumptions. Of course this situation is very very improbable, but still not impossible. The more offspring tested you have, the more sure you are, but you can never be 100% sure.

[woland77]

In accordance with the regulations of international accreditation , the CCLC (Italian Club), accepts only the results of each dog, provided by an accredited laboratory. The results of the research institutions, are considered for statistical data and not for the certification of individual dogs (according to international regulations). This is because research institutions are not required to answer about errors on a law context, while the laboratories are obligated to respond on the certificate they issue.
We don't accept result deducted by others test result (even if both parents are n/n).
To provide certification in breeding must have all dogs with results issued by accredited laboratory...
The rest are in an official and legal way, only words!