DM Testresults

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Your dogs too not see in DM testing list

Since when this is a reply?
Jasna has done test and is waiting for reply.
Oliver is 8 years old and will not reproduce anymore.
Echo is tested and is N/N, so any female he covers will give HEALTHY
puppies and MAXIMUM carriers (depending on mother)
Lunatica is castrated since 1 years old because she is HD/D.
As you can see, my ONLY dog who is reproducing at the moment is tsted and N/N negative.

Mine is a simple question, and knowing Kay's sister (K-lee, who has made puppies with Echo) is a carrier, I am making a very straightforward question.
I have a friend interested in this litter and maybe others too may be interested in this simple question.
Is that wrong?


Now, considering my reply to you was full and complete, in the joyful xmas spirit should I also ask if Jolly or Iran or Harmonia have been tested?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by massimo

Oliver is 8 years old and will not reproduce anymore.

but this female Joly and Harmonia TOO NOT go TO Production like you Oliver

I have a friend interested in this litter and maybe others too may be interested in this simple question.
Is that wrong?

I think she have good owner in spain and not mas have owner in others country. And all time can about all who interesing You quest in email way. Or not.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

but this female Joly and Harmonia TOO NOT go TO Production like you Oliver ..

Exactly, that is why I said "should I ask it too?" considering you asked about my dogs. However the heritage of these dogs is much much wider than that of oliver...

Originally Posted by wolfin

I think she have good owner in spain and not mas have owner in others country. And all time can about all who interesing You quest in email way. Or not.

I think we are all nice to say congratulations to the best litter in spain but maybe they should have a bit more information about health issues too.
or is this not good when we speak about certain dogs or lines and good only when we speak about others?
what is there to be afraid of? nothing I guess!
nothing to hide if we speak about the best litter in spain!

Klee is carrier, so, there are chances that Kay could be too, and I am curious to know about Enor.
All is important, bloodline, Hd, Good blood, bonitation, Elbows and now we know also DMA is important.

I think it is time to be more objective when speaking about litters and not always attacking the usual breeders becuase we don't like them.

New owners should be aware of what they are paying for.
This applies to others and also to myself, if a breeder is honest, and I am sure Tuky is a very very honest person and has been informed by his breeders about these problems and will do the same.

[wolfin]

they can be who be but this are THE best litter in Spain
p.s. do You have permission from K-lee owner to publishe this results in all forums posts?
Sarka one time publishe italian dogs results and have later problems with this, for this I think better when make this owner but not friend from away

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

they can be who be but this are THE best litter in Spain

Said by the greatest expert of CLC around I guess...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by massimo

Said by the greatest expert of CLC around I guess...

thanks for nice worts for me is VERY important nice opinion from this type like You people

[massimo]

Look. It is not my intention to spoil this beautiful thread about tuky's litter.
I believe the last comments have no reason to be in the thread.
If mod wants, they can be taken off.
However i believe that my question about health and dma results of parents is appropriate and should be left.
Tuky, responsible breeder of the litter, may decide to reply yes, the dogs are tested an negative or whatever result they have, or may not reply at all.

I think it is correct to give right info to everybody, both that the litter is great (and i agree) an that the parents are tested or not for degenerative myelopathy.

[wolfin]

I think she can make this ( and make ) without good people help

[Rona]

Originally Posted by massimo

Klee is carrier, so, there are chances that Kay could be too, and I am curious to know about Enor.

Are you sure about this info? I was talking with Gia, K-lee owner, a couple of weeks ago and she told me she was planning to do the DM test in 2011. I think she even wrote this on the Polish forum the other day.

Not knowing if K-lee is a carrier or not, her owners who are very responsible people decided to select a DM n/n rep, just to been the safe side

[massimo]

I am owner of Male who mated K-lee.
I am planning to take one puppy as studfee, so I have been informed by EWA and have been authorised to speak about it becuase, responsibly, she knew before mating that Echo is N/N.

Now that all these informations have been given to you...can I FINALLY get some relpies???
Gosh..objectivity is down the drain these days!!

Why is everybody so scared to speak up??
It seems that I make one question, I receive many other questions, I reply but I dont get any reply.

Ewa is a responsible person and did things responsibly...but I am not asking about Ewa.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by massimo

Ewa is a responsible person and did things responsibly...but I am not asking about Ewa.

But it was YOU who mentioned K-lee's DM results.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Rona

But it was YOU who mentioned K-lee's DM results.

Rona, I very often appreciate your comments and I am surprised you do not get my intentions.
Kay is sister of K-Lee.
If K-Lee is carrier, so ALSO can be Kay.
Is this correct till now?
If you had a female who was carrier... If you could chose, what male would you use?
I can tell you what I would do.
I would use a carrier with a carrier only if he was SUPER SPECIAL to my eyes and only if it was the dog of my dreams.
BUT, I would test all puppies before selling them and I would inform the owners of the results.
I know, i am a dreamer, but here i am pictured as a witchhunter...(i think it's just because of being against the mainstream, but it's just my idea i guess)

So...to my eyes, breeding responsibly means choosing the right male for a female who is carrier.
But completely DISREGARDING the DMA means, to my eyes again, not being completely responsible.
Can somebody tell me what is wrong with this argumentation and where is the witchhunt?
I am sure Tuky is a great person, and maybe if he had more information he might have been more careful or chosen differently.
But often information doesn't flow the right direction I think.

Anyway, maybe to be better appreciated on this forum I should start writing nice things, like wow great litter and stuff like than...popularity means compromise...

[Grin]

Originally Posted by massimo

knowing Kay's sister (K-lee, who has made puppies with Echo) is a carrier,

I think you must have misunderstood her (after all both of you didn't use your native languages talking to each other, right? ).
On the 28 November Ewa wrote on Polish forum clearly that K-lee WASN'T testet yet, and because of it, being a responsible person she had chosen a testet stud dog just to be sure that K-lee's puppies would be healthy. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=107
(I have really no business in this matter, just wanted to put things clear. )
Regards.

[z Peronówki]

Calm down people - you really see "puppy time is comming" (in the case of Massimo it is hard to explain it as PMS.... )

[Gia]

Yes, K-lee is carrier, but I think it's not right topic fot this discussion.
I did a DM test earlier, because Massimo asked me about it.

[Grin]

Ok, I understand.
Sorry for butting in.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Gia

I think it's not right topic fot this discussion.

Yes I agree 100%

And as nor Wolfdog.org or any Cs Club has DM or Dwarf as Demand for breeding (as I know) I think one can not demand info about it online

And if one really wants to know and the dogs are not on the test list, way not ask in PM ???

I see DM and Dwarf questions as off topic on a topic like this

If this is happening every time a breeder wants to tell something, I think very soon No breeder will want to tell anything online at all

Therefor I would kindly like to ask the Moderators if it is possible to put this all in a new topic (DM questions to breeders) And put ALLL the future DM questions to ALLL breeders there ???

Very best regards / Mikael

PS, I´m for testing, but against witch hunting, DS.

Witch hunt will not help or save are breed !

[Gia]

Mikael, you're right

So... Sister!!!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!!! Your puppies are so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kisses to all family from K-lee Vornja z Peronówki

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Gia

Yes, K-lee is carrier, but I think it's not right topic fot this discussion.

Of course it is not the right topic... All results are and will be published on Mijke's list and in the topic about DM results on the forum...

Massimo knew about it - but still he decided to post here his boorish question. It is topic of another kennel, of another country. It is VERY strange - but I think again some hidden motives and Massimo's personal fights are the reason for it...

Massimo, why do you ask about DM results Enor person who DO NOT OWN HIM? Maybe it would be great idea to ask about it HIS OWNER?.
Why do you ask about DM results breeders from Spain where no dogs has been tested till now and first they are looking for possibilities to make it? And everybody knows it.
Look - in Italy the tests are done for years. For years there are also dogs known which surfered from DM and they same which are related with your dogs. Why you still didn't tested your dogs? But you ask (or better said: require) from other to have their dogs testes already now...

[Nebulosa]

I sense that some gossips are being spreaded