European Wolfdogs

Smokey · 13-01-2013, 16:18

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

And yes Smokey, these Robin and Willem are the same guys and it seems that you posted their old website. I do not believe that they will mix the americans with the europaens. By the way, they do own only Raven. A Polar does not exist. It is Knuth from Jos de Bruin. If you look right on the website, you will notice that, where you can see "Polar" and Knuth, Photoshop does his work, lol.

Christian
www.wolfdogs-siouxtala.de

Oke Christian

Yes they are the same guys.
They mix the Saarloos Shadow with a Czech wolfdog.

http://wolfsblut-vom-burgstall.de/e-wurf-planung/

I don't know what the pups are called than?
Pups are mixes than.
But I understand the pups are more expensief than a pup with a pedigree?

hanninadina · 13-01-2013, 16:24

No Smokey, the breeder used another wolfdog but not Shadow.

And yes, in germany, people may more for "mixed Wolfdogs than for a pure bred FCI pedigree wolfdog. People check out the pairings and see/think that these combinations are maybe better than a pure breed for example czechoslovakian wolfdog.

But so far I know, the mother was a csw/malamute mix. Father from last litter - pups got just to their new home - is american/csw mix.

hanninadina · 13-01-2013, 16:26

Oh, I see, it is another "new" litter, you meant Smokey. You are right csw female, and pure Saarloos? It shall be a F 3?! Yeah maybe from the french Skog Saarloos line.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-01-2013, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Smokey

But I understand the pups are more expensief than a pup with a pedigree?

The prices for wolfdogs are around 2500 Euros and a lot of people simply want a big wolfish looking dog, as exotic as possible. That it is possible to visit the peripher areas of a market with a dog lying under some shelter or to find a family member on an emty area seems to be enough to dream the dream of a pet-wolf.
According to the amount of money that can easily be earned without any kennel or health controles advertising is allready starting. Deposits for the Dutch kennel can be made and Sioux Tala is planning two litters this year and the so called "calm Sport Dog" has mated three females - I doubt for free.
This is a very special world with a lot of money and illegal actions involved those of us who are interested in DOGS will not understand.

Ina

avgrunn · 14-01-2013, 18:38

I've got a question because I don't understand some things.
Are they saying that these wolfdogs, will have great character? Will be amazing home pets? Is it even still possible when they will mix the american wolfdogs with so called european ones which clearly are something between vlcaks and saarlooses. Will these mixes also give great characters ? Or is it just playing on human's stupidity to have something wild at home or in their yard. I would love someone to explain that to me

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-01-2013, 19:16

If you get a closer look you will find that what you think is a great character is something very different to what they see as a great character and calm. On the video I see an animal that is able to watch a slightly crowded area lying next to a known dog under a shelter with a steadily preasing owner, without panicing but without selfconfidence but slight signs of stress (the black one). It gives you something to think if this is something seen as being great and a sign of good charakter, for me this is nothing to mention. I did put in a video here of some crosses on an exhibition. The owners see perfect behaving dogs, everybody else saw terribly stressed fearfull animals.
On the other way round a normal CSW is terribly aggressiv for them because it will not run away on the first sign of anything potentially threatening.
So in conclusion a CSW is not a good family dog but a whatsoever American or European Wolfdog is.

Ina

avgrunn · 14-01-2013, 19:40

So they see what they want to see, this is just sad. Mainly because there are plenty of people who would love to have something wild at home, but do not really know that it may have dangerous consequences.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 15-01-2013, 00:23

It is mainly sad for their animals. We will have a very huge Hybrid-Problem in some years and no sanctuaries to keep them as they don´t fit in normal shelters.

Ina

Joswolf · 16-01-2013, 00:25

Quote (There is a sufferer of cataract in line with Faust.Ik would not dare take the risk for the puppies. )
Is there any, just any line with no illness at all????Most dogbreeds carry about 300 till 400 genetic foult's mister so get real.
And what did anyone suggest my Knut made love to an European? Christian get real, stop telling these lies. And just give back the stolen property that i've bin asking for. It is not yours so youre a thief and i gave you an oppertiunity to make it right. And what do you do? Spreading roomers and lies around.
Jos

14-01-2013, 18:38	#5
avgrunn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trójmiasto Posts: 1,756	I've got a question because I don't understand some things. Are they saying that these wolfdogs, will have great character? Will be amazing home pets? Is it even still possible when they will mix the american wolfdogs with so called european ones which clearly are something between vlcaks and saarlooses. Will these mixes also give great characters ? Or is it just playing on human's stupidity to have something wild at home or in their yard. I would love someone to explain that to me __________________ Ja & Urciowaty

14-01-2013, 19:40	#7
avgrunn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trójmiasto Posts: 1,756	So they see what they want to see, this is just sad. Mainly because there are plenty of people who would love to have something wild at home, but do not really know that it may have dangerous consequences. __________________ Ja & Urciowaty

13-01-2013, 16:24	#2
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	No Smokey, the breeder used another wolfdog but not Shadow. And yes, in germany, people may more for "mixed Wolfdogs than for a pure bred FCI pedigree wolfdog. People check out the pairings and see/think that these combinations are maybe better than a pure breed for example czechoslovakian wolfdog. But so far I know, the mother was a csw/malamute mix. Father from last litter - pups got just to their new home - is american/csw mix.

13-01-2013, 16:26	#3
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Oh, I see, it is another "new" litter, you meant Smokey. You are right csw female, and pure Saarloos? It shall be a F 3?! Yeah maybe from the french Skog Saarloos line.

14-01-2013, 19:16	#6
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	If you get a closer look you will find that what you think is a great character is something very different to what they see as a great character and calm. On the video I see an animal that is able to watch a slightly crowded area lying next to a known dog under a shelter with a steadily preasing owner, without panicing but without selfconfidence but slight signs of stress (the black one). It gives you something to think if this is something seen as being great and a sign of good charakter, for me this is nothing to mention. I did put in a video here of some crosses on an exhibition. The owners see perfect behaving dogs, everybody else saw terribly stressed fearfull animals. On the other way round a normal CSW is terribly aggressiv for them because it will not run away on the first sign of anything potentially threatening. So in conclusion a CSW is not a good family dog but a whatsoever American or European Wolfdog is. Ina

15-01-2013, 00:23	#8
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	It is mainly sad for their animals. We will have a very huge Hybrid-Problem in some years and no sanctuaries to keep them as they don´t fit in normal shelters. Ina

16-01-2013, 00:25	#9
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	Quote (There is a sufferer of cataract in line with Faust.Ik would not dare take the risk for the puppies. ) Is there any, just any line with no illness at all????Most dogbreeds carry about 300 till 400 genetic foult's mister so get real. And what did anyone suggest my Knut made love to an European? Christian get real, stop telling these lies. And just give back the stolen property that i've bin asking for. It is not yours so youre a thief and i gave you an oppertiunity to make it right. And what do you do? Spreading roomers and lies around. Jos