Demoniak de la Louve Blanche

[koomak]

Hello,I am Jean Pierre,the husband of Sophie Domer and i want to reply to Ina.
I just don't understand the video posted publicly and the understatments about caracters and treatments of our dogs.
What do you know about ? Are you a teatcher,a dog cop? what about yours owns dogs?
I'never discuss on this forum because i"m not in your world,i'm just a men who take care about his family,and our 8 dogs are my family.
They are like children for us,they live whith great area,they live in house,they sleep in my bed.
When i wake up,there are the first to say''good morning'' and i feel they are happy and loved.
On a over side,they ave a special character,they are reserved with people or situation they dont know.
So what they look stressed.....Is it a reason to publicly assure that my dogs are unhappy and badtreated ?
I remenber to you that they ave done a very long travel(1400 kms) and they find themselves in a new situation....noise...people...others dogs they don't know.
To be stressed dont want to mean have bad treatments..or you say that on a public forum.
I doubt your intelligence and your objectivity.
take care on your own life and your's own dogs if you'r are able too.
I repeat,i'm not in your discussion of dogs,wolf,wolfhund,hybrid,and so on...i only love my animals and i think that my child who is ten year old is more intelligent that you and both of others...
You are in a mythic world,it's your right..but if i find an other time a post that said my dugs are badtreaded,i can assured you that i lodge a complaint for diffamation...whith your video and your comments...difficult for you..
So..take your way..move your a.. and love your dogs..I hope i'ts the first and last message i leave on this forum...i am in the real live with my dogs and i don't need to create problems ..
So do the same and i hope you get so lovely dog family i have.

Jean Pierre

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I will explain it to you the last time as it was explained often enough:
If you decide to keep this kind of dog at your home as a pet, fine. I personally think that we should breed pets that are able to handle those situations but if you want a pet that has mainly to stay at home, ok.
BUT if you decide to show and breed it as a purebred CSW with official paper this is fraud.
AND if you take it to an exhibition and watch it being in panic without taking it out of the situation this is cruelty to animals and nothing else. And yes as a vet that is specialized on Animal Behaviour, owns a very big dog school, trains mantrailers up to a very high level, breeds wolfdogs since 12 years, raised and cares for several European wolves I am very qualified to judge the behaviour of your dogs, as well as the fact that they are more than atypical in looks and behaviour for this breed. And Daiva by the way is a specialized judge for this breed and should be able to judge this as well.

No matter what you post here on statements and photos this does not change the picture your dogs and their handlers gave on this Expo.
And my dogs traveled from Germany to Italy they stayed at several different places, one of them is only 10 month of age and has never before been to such an occasion. There have been several CSW that traveled as far and have been there the first time, absolutely no animal on this Expo showed only a tenth of the mental stress your animals showed. I have seen hundreds of CSW on a lot of occasions and over 15 years now. Some of them were shy, many of them were stressed on Expos and other occasions like that. None, absolutely none was in half the mental stage your animals have been in.
If you are not able to see that and help your animals out of this situation you should be very, very thorough to keep away of them as you can easily abuse a dog without hitting it, trap it into cages or not feed it properly.

And if you are not able to respect the intention the founders of this breed had - and it was mainly not for looks - you should change to another breed. To found a 5th line as was said with this kind of animals or breed this animals at all without SEVERE and RESPONSIBLE selection will ruin the breed!
And all of us that love this breed and care for it´s well being will do our best to stop you. The videos are sent to the Slovakian Club, hopefully they can get a change.

Ina

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

BUT if you decide to show and breed it as a purebred CSW with official paper this is fraud.

AND if you take it to an exhibition and watch it being in panic without taking it out of the situation this is cruelty to animals and nothing else.

I absolutely agree.

[valentina]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

If you decide to keep this kind of dog at your home as a pet, fine. I personally think that we should breed pets that are able to handle those situations but if you want a pet that has mainly to stay at home, ok.
BUT if you decide to show and breed it as a purebred CSW with official paper this is fraud.

I'm absolutely AGREE

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I will explain it to you the last time as it was explained often enough:
If you decide to keep this kind of dog at your home as a pet, fine. I personally think that we should breed pets that are able to handle those situations but if you want a pet that has mainly to stay at home, ok.
BUT if you decide to show and breed it as a purebred CSW with official paper this is fraud.
AND if you take it to an exhibition and watch it being in panic without taking it out of the situation this is cruelty to animals and nothing else. And yes as a vet that is specialized on Animal Behaviour, owns a very big dog school, trains mantrailers up to a very high level, breeds wolfdogs since 12 years, raised and cares for several European wolves I am very qualified to judge the behaviour of your dogs, as well as the fact that they are more than atypical in looks and behaviour for this breed. And Daiva by the way is a specialized judge for this breed and should be able to judge this as well.

No matter what you post here on statements and photos this does not change the picture your dogs and their handlers gave on this Expo.
And my dogs traveled from Germany to Italy they stayed at several different places, one of them is only 10 month of age and has never before been to such an occasion. There have been several CSW that traveled as far and have been there the first time, absolutely no animal on this Expo showed only a tenth of the mental stress your animals showed. I have seen hundreds of CSW on a lot of occasions and over 15 years now. Some of them were shy, many of them were stressed on Expos and other occasions like that. None, absolutely none was in half the mental stage your animals have been in.
If you are not able to see that and help your animals out of this situation you should be very, very thorough to keep away of them as you can easily abuse a dog without hitting it, trap it into cages or not feed it properly.

And if you are not able to respect the intention the founders of this breed had - and it was mainly not for looks - you should change to another breed. To found a 5th line as was said with this kind of animals or breed this animals at all without SEVERE and RESPONSIBLE selection will ruin the breed!
And all of us that love this breed and care for it´s well being will do our best to stop you. The videos are sent to the Slovakian Club, hopefully they can get a change.

Ina

That´s a really good answer

I do really hope the Slovakian Club can act on this now, when they have not just a photo but also a video that shows there behavior

Best regards / Mikael

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Mikael

That´s a really good answer

Yes, very good answer !!!

I what shocks me even more in this video, it is besides these animals being in a state of stress, it is the not knowledge owners besides of say breeder, since when we comfort by caressing(cherishing) a put under stress dog ???

Besides the origins of these animals, it would be necessary can be knowledge to raise(bring up) them in the good way what only for their good(property) would be!!!!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by martiou07

I what shocks me even more in this video, it is besides these animals being in a state of stress, it is the not knowledge owners besides of say breeder, since when we comfort by caressing(cherishing) a put under stress dog ???

A very good point!!! The owner encourages/rewards such behaviour!

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by martiou07

I what shocks me even more in this video, it is besides these animals being in a state of stress, it is the not knowledge owners besides of say breeder, since when we comfort by caressing(cherishing) a put under stress dog ???

Indeed...
They obviously think they know what they're doing.
Animals just bred and kept for pure vanity.
I wonder what they gonna do if the pedigrees of these animals sooner or later will be made invalid by the FCI.

Michael