Czechoslovakian vlcak club uk

[wolfheart]

Originally Posted by Obbie

Hi All,

New to the forum, I followed the link from the website.
Although it looks like i had joined this forum a long time ago.
I hope we can get this majestic breed recognised in the uk.
I would like to know from anyone who has imported a puppy to the uk.
I was just looking for an idea of cost to import , from which country.

Hi Obbie
I am new to the forum as well, I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion, I have researched this breed since 2008, It would be a good idea to do as much research as you can. Just rember it can be very traumatic for a pup to travel such a long way in one go so planning is key.
pm me if you want more info

[Rona]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion,

Wow, congratulations!!! Could you tell us what dog you've imported?
I guess it'll be important for further UK owners to know which lines are already represented in the UK ...

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Rona

Wow, congratulations!!! Could you tell us what dog you've imported?
I guess it'll be important for further UK owners to know which lines are already represented in the UK ...

When I asked her I was told that when i was looking for another dog to ask the breeders if they had exported to UK before, and refused to tell me who were the breeders

[Rona]

Originally Posted by pixie

When I asked her I was told that when i was looking for another dog to ask the breeders if they had exported to UK before, and refused to tell me who were the breeders

Really? What transparent approach! I wonder why so secretive? Aranwen seems proud of his new pup and puts Marron's photos on FB! So are Nebulosa, Amanda, Marcy, Yukomari, her sister, Jonatan from Spain, Italian & French owners, and many, many owners who imported vlcaks from central Europe!

I thought the new regulations would enable British owners come with their dogs to various vlcak meetings, camps, shows, participate in exams, endurance runs and bonitations. If Spanish, German, Dutch , French owners/breeders can participate, why couldn't the British ones? I thought the 'new owners' from the UK intended to become part of the international vlcak community, share their joys and problems with others, but I doubt if this is possible with "anonymous" dogs.

Wolfheart, here, on the continent we are proud of our vlcaks and of their kennels names. (Even if they are not perfect ) Aren't you? Anyway, I still hope to get an answer from you

[wolfheart]

Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive,

Do you call offensive my congratulations on you getting a new pup or the question about its name?

Originally Posted by wolfheart

I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum . (...) I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.

It's hard to belive that somebody who has "research this breed, visited many owners in Europe" has not come accross this site and this forum. And if you have, then you'd know it was correct to disclose your dogs names and proudly put them in the profile under the section "about me"

Anyway, despite my doubts and reservations, I honestly wish you good luck with your pup and hope it'll grow to a fantastic dog and great friend of yours.

[soul]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!

I would like to wish you good luck with your new dogs and agree, while reading all these comments, it does put you off . My advice is '' don't get involved with breed politics '' enjoy your dogs for what they are no matter who bred them

[Obbie]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!

Hi Wolfheart,
I'm a new member also and understand what you’re saying.
However, if you look back through threads on this forum, or put the breed into a GOOGLE search you will see why people on here act this way.
I find the comments are less offensive/aggressive and more suspicious and protective.
Looking at past threads and links I can see why breeders on here will look at new owners (particularly from the UK) with suspicion, and I see it as justified.
But you should never be embarrassed about your dogs, they wouldn’t be embarrassed of you
(I think mine was once though when she refused an agility jump, so I jumped it and said look it’s not that hard)

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Obbie

But you should never be embarrassed about your dogs, they wouldn’t be embarrassed of you

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Obbie

(I think mine was once though when she refused an agility jump, so I jumped it and said look it’s not that hard)

Like it!
Obbie, IMO vlcak is definitely the right breed for you!

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Obbie

Hi Wolfheart,
I'm a new member also and understand what you’re saying.
However, if you look back through threads on this forum, or put the breed into a GOOGLE search you will see why people on here act this way.
I find the comments are less offensive/aggressive and more suspicious and protective.
Looking at past threads and links I can see why breeders on here will look at new owners (particularly from the UK) with suspicion, and I see it as justified.
But you should never be embarrassed about your dogs, they wouldn’t be embarrassed of you
(I think mine was once though when she refused an agility jump, so I jumped it and said look it’s not that hard)

Thank you very much We are really trying get this breed to UK, and do it in a way it is intended to. What I want to say: responsible, honest, ethical breeding and owning. In full cooperation with European quality breeders, and people of this forum. But our efforts are not unnoticed by those who previously abused this breed, and have placed it in position it is in now. Most of them doesn't like what this club is trying to achieve. Some of them are trying to stop us this or other way, some are threatening us, some are discrediting this club, others are trying others tactics. If you call our efforts to defend from it, or defend a breed from people who can cause further damage, a "breed politics" that's fine .... But please, you have to understand, not every one who comes to this forum is a person who he is saying he is. And not everyone posting here is honest person. So, please, don't get offended if your welcoming is not as warm as you imagined it. It is difficult for us too, and we are sorry.... But we need your help, we need honest people who want to help us build this club and finally, establish CSV in UK for good. This club, right now, is just forming, and there is a lot of work to do. We can not carry on without honest people who really care about welfare of vlcaks, even if they don't own one yet.
Excuse me my english.

[pixie]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!

First of all let me say i wish you well with your 2 wonderful dogs, I hope you give them all they deserve, but I must pull you up on a couple of points, firstly i never asked you on this forum i asked you on the forum that you helped set up about the breeders of your dogs, so it was nothing to do with this forum secondly you state that your not a breeder but having your dogs spayed would not be beneficial to the breed, if you have no intention of breeding them what is the problem with having them spayed and what benefit are they to the breed if they are only your pets, thirdly you state you were getting a second dog as a companion but you have other dogs, its not wrong to get another dog but the reasons should be clear and finally you say you have no intention of getting involved in the politics of the breed in my opinion is a cop out, as we must all get involved in the politics of the breed to make sure they are looked after in this country and no longer abused for fiscal reasons. Can I also add there is nothing wrong with breeding dogs and selling them nearly everybody who breeds dogs sells them its if the selling is the main reason for breeding that it is morally wrong just my opinion

[pixie]

Also are you not an admin on one of the 2 provisional clubs

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by wolfheart

Hi Obbie
I am new to the forum as well, I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion, I have researched this breed since 2008, It would be a good idea to do as much research as you can. Just rember it can be very traumatic for a pup to travel such a long way in one go so planning is key.
pm me if you want more info

the bit in bold confuddled me what was the first pup if the second is to be a companion?

[Obbie]

Thank you all for the information.
Money is not my main concern but it would be the first stumbling block, and being able to plan for this would be great.
I was looking for a general sum, preferable from people who had done this before.
The kind of example would be:
I got a puppy from Germany and I transported the pup back on a train and it cost about £500.
I was not looking for exact costs from each breeder.
I understand that costs would be higher to get a dog imported into the UK, I was just looking for a general figure.
Thank you for the offer Hanka, but I would not like to waste your time as I would be unable to import a pup this year.
My current dog has not completed her training, so currently would not have time give a new pup.
I’m currently trying to get to know everyone and understand the full situation in the UK and Europe.
I will continue to read this site with interest, and hope I can become an active member

[Shadowlands]

Great attitude Obbie

Maybe as people import more pups, there will be a bit more info on the costs involved (over and above the purchase of the puppy) It's the kind of information that is good to share as it will help people like you in the future.

One thing I have noticed is that the ferry companies seem to be cashing in on these new relaxed import regulations 4 years ago, we brought 2 cats out of the UK - there was no charge for them on the ferry as they had to stay in the vehicle (Dover-Dunkirk, a very quick crossing). I looked up the same crossing and now they are quoting about £30 per animal - and they still have to stay in the vehicle!! Grrrrrr

[Murph]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

the bit in bold confuddled me what was the first pup if the second is to be a companion?

Companion for the first puppy I presume

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Murph

Companion for the first puppy I presume

No she already has 3 other dogs, these 2 were bought purely for breeding thats why she got 2 unrelated pups getting the female first, if it was just for companionship she could of got 2 from the same litter, and had them spayed,