Iberian wolfdog crosses

hanninadina · 27-02-2012, 13:42

And I will always remember to the VDH-FCI Show in december 2005 in Kassel germany. Michael Eichhorn presented Baron spod Diumiera during the show beside the ring to me and some others. He says with pride, look at Baron, isn´t he doing good here in the halls? He has no fear and is calm.

Yes he was. Now many years later remembering to the behavior and acting of Baron, living with 6 wofldogs (4 of them american wds) knowing much more about wolves, high contents I can confirm, yes, Baron was doing ok - for a F 1 or F2 mid content wolfdog hybrid.

I know Demoniak too personally from World dog Show 2010 in Denmark. And what can I say, he was a very friendly dog who was not afraid of nothing. Although he did not know me he came to me and smelled at me. Only the judge, 1,90 m, 100 kg, hard in handling him, he did not like, but that was ok.

So why Michael was especially talking about the timid but not shy behavior of Baron? He was a csw, there is nothing special to go to shows in halls - if the csw is a pure csw.

Mikael · 28-02-2012, 00:31

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

I can confirm, yes, Baron was doing ok - for a F 1 or F2 mid content wolfdog hybrid.

Christian, you are so funny...

I did only meet Baron 2 times, but I can say he´s not anyting like a F1 or F2 or even F3-F5...

Maybe you are missjudging becouse of that your AWD are not really High contant at all

However... if I was to judge Baron, I would put him closer to GSD than Wolf...

But I gues that is not what this is all about, it´s about talking bad about Ina and Michael Eichhorn again... well well in that case I can only feel sorry for you, as we have all moved on

Sad regards / Mikael

*Satu · 28-02-2012, 11:28

Christian will you tell who is pure breed and looking like standard csv?

How many hybrid have passed FCI Character test?
I don´t know so many normal csv who can do it.

AND HE is stiil alive whit DM.... if some one needs DNA that is it in laboklin, Doggenes bank and i can send more samples.....

hanninadina · 28-02-2012, 12:26

Oh, he is still alive? People tell the story that he is dead. Fine.

Mikael, make a turn around, how many wolfdogs did you met who are F 1 - F 4? That is the point the difference between a F 2 and a F 6 is not that far as some people want to make you believe!

I will not tell you what Noomi and Nuno and the rest of my family are. Maybe you should compare them with some wolves, hahahaha.

No, Mikael, as I wrote, people who are sitting in the glashouse should not throw with stones.

Milan Budaj said to Oskar Dora in mai 2010 during the csw meeting in germany: "Jörg still believes, Arleen is a pure csw, hahaha". I was standing beside them. And I met Arleen, she is very very good looking and has a super temperament, like a wolf or F 1 - F 2, she is lying on her back immediately even when a strang person meets her. That is typicall submissive behavior what you will find more often in wolves and closer to the wolf wolfdogs.

Mikael, it was before your time, when Dia Kollar Dvor was famous. Did you never asked yourself, why lots of people took her two times for mating?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-02-2012, 12:34

Hello Satu and Mikael,

having a very long experience with this I can only ask you not to feed the troll. As trolls are notoriously dishonest and malignent they love to jump into things and throw some stinky rumors.
Everybody knowing Dia and Baron knows how trustworthy this special troll is

And this special troll never saw Dia....
And I am pretty sure that Oskar will be very astonished about what he has said

. I will ask him next time I meet him, he should know what is told about him.

Ina

hanninadina · 28-02-2012, 12:44

Yeah, feed the troll, he is getting bigger and bigger. hahaha. Ina, people like you who are spreading rumours everywhere, do not should tell me what I should do and not.

But take your look to the spanish csw who should be bred by Margo but has the color of iberian wolves. Is it a iberian csw Hybrid? You are so experienced, start your fight to spanish people. lol.

Nebulosa · 28-02-2012, 13:14

What I see in Utukku is a very wolfish and typical pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, the darker coat is not new in the breed, you can find it in several dogs, Anomad Debowa sfora for exemple: http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/8118

But I really think that breeder and owner will see no problems in make the DNA test, even because it was not the first time I heard people telling it.

Im thinking in make the DNA test in all my dogs and I really think that all the breeders must try to do the same.
We have Antagene and Laboklin as laboratories which already tested the DNA of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, will be great if we all choose one laboratory to send the samples of our dogs because I wonder if the laboratories share informations, for exemple, if I send a sample fo Iran to Antagene and someone which to test if he is the father by Laboklin, probably I will need to send a new sample (??).

Rona · 28-02-2012, 13:36

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

But take your look to the spanish csw who should be bred by Margo but has the color of iberian wolves. Is it a iberian csw Hybrid? You are so experienced, start your fight to spanish people. lol.

Margo keeps secretly an Iberian wolf?

Why don't you log in reality, Christian? Even for a short while? It'll definitely do you good...

28-02-2012, 11:28	#3
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	Christian will you tell who is pure breed and looking like standard csv? How many hybrid have passed FCI Character test? I don´t know so many normal csv who can do it. AND HE is stiil alive whit DM.... if some one needs DNA that is it in laboklin, Doggenes bank and i can send more samples..... __________________ www.csv.fi Last edited by Satu; 28-02-2012 at 11:50. Reason: typo*

28-02-2012, 12:34	#5
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Hello Satu and Mikael, having a very long experience with this I can only ask you not to feed the troll. As trolls are notoriously dishonest and malignent they love to jump into things and throw some stinky rumors. Everybody knowing Dia and Baron knows how trustworthy this special troll is And this special troll never saw Dia.... And I am pretty sure that Oskar will be very astonished about what he has said . I will ask him next time I meet him, he should know what is told about him. Ina Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 28-02-2012 at 12:43.

28-02-2012, 13:14	#7
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	What I see in Utukku is a very wolfish and typical pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, the darker coat is not new in the breed, you can find it in several dogs, Anomad Debowa sfora for exemple: http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/8118 But I really think that breeder and owner will see no problems in make the DNA test, even because it was not the first time I heard people telling it. Im thinking in make the DNA test in all my dogs and I really think that all the breeders must try to do the same. We have Antagene and Laboklin as laboratories which already tested the DNA of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, will be great if we all choose one laboratory to send the samples of our dogs because I wonder if the laboratories share informations, for exemple, if I send a sample fo Iran to Antagene and someone which to test if he is the father by Laboklin, probably I will need to send a new sample (??). __________________

27-02-2012, 13:42	#1
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	And I will always remember to the VDH-FCI Show in december 2005 in Kassel germany. Michael Eichhorn presented Baron spod Diumiera during the show beside the ring to me and some others. He says with pride, look at Baron, isn´t he doing good here in the halls? He has no fear and is calm. Yes he was. Now many years later remembering to the behavior and acting of Baron, living with 6 wofldogs (4 of them american wds) knowing much more about wolves, high contents I can confirm, yes, Baron was doing ok - for a F 1 or F2 mid content wolfdog hybrid. I know Demoniak too personally from World dog Show 2010 in Denmark. And what can I say, he was a very friendly dog who was not afraid of nothing. Although he did not know me he came to me and smelled at me. Only the judge, 1,90 m, 100 kg, hard in handling him, he did not like, but that was ok. So why Michael was especially talking about the timid but not shy behavior of Baron? He was a csw, there is nothing special to go to shows in halls - if the csw is a pure csw.

28-02-2012, 12:26	#4
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Oh, he is still alive? People tell the story that he is dead. Fine. Mikael, make a turn around, how many wolfdogs did you met who are F 1 - F 4? That is the point the difference between a F 2 and a F 6 is not that far as some people want to make you believe! I will not tell you what Noomi and Nuno and the rest of my family are. Maybe you should compare them with some wolves, hahahaha. No, Mikael, as I wrote, people who are sitting in the glashouse should not throw with stones. Milan Budaj said to Oskar Dora in mai 2010 during the csw meeting in germany: "Jörg still believes, Arleen is a pure csw, hahaha". I was standing beside them. And I met Arleen, she is very very good looking and has a super temperament, like a wolf or F 1 - F 2, she is lying on her back immediately even when a strang person meets her. That is typicall submissive behavior what you will find more often in wolves and closer to the wolf wolfdogs. Mikael, it was before your time, when Dia Kollar Dvor was famous. Did you never asked yourself, why lots of people took her two times for mating?

28-02-2012, 12:44	#6
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Yeah, feed the troll, he is getting bigger and bigger. hahaha. Ina, people like you who are spreading rumours everywhere, do not should tell me what I should do and not. But take your look to the spanish csw who should be bred by Margo but has the color of iberian wolves. Is it a iberian csw Hybrid? You are so experienced, start your fight to spanish people. lol.