Mixes tchec

ArImInIuM · 21-02-2012, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Hi!
The DNA test proved that your Elbe is daughter of Yanatos and Asia, not that she is a purebreed, now the main question is if Yanatos is really a pure dog, for this we need to send the sample of Issar to this lab for a new DNA test.
Seems you're one more person who need to convince Edith from the kennel Crying Wolf to cooperate with this.
So far seems Edith is only telling that all the dogs are pure and that everything is all right, while she HIDE IN FEAR to send a simple sample of Issar. - if there are no problems, why fear so much a simple test?! -
If you have to blame someone, blame Edith.

it's so easy to hide his ignorance behind Edith, being given that you do not know ..... why are you so sure?

Nebulosa · 21-02-2012, 21:42

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Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

it's so easy to hide his ignorance behind Edith, being given that you do not know ..... why are you so sure?

Because we have Saarloos-like pups in the litters which born exactly after Mijke bring an Red Saarloos called Dvorak to Edith, and thats why all the litters by Crying Wolf after the time of arrival of this Saarloos are marked as possible mixes on wolfdog.org database.
Before no one was blaming Edith for that as accidents can happen in the best kennels, till she started to REFUSE to help even the owner of the possible afected litters to clear the situation, meaning that she knows what happened and is trying to hide it.
If you want your dog be marked as pure dog, then now is much simpler as we know that the parents of Elbe are really her parents, you only need to ask the blood of Issar (who, so far I know, he is yet by Edith) for confirm if he is the real father.

ArImInIuM · 22-02-2012, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Because we have Saarloos-like pups in the litters which born exactly after Mijke bring an Red Saarloos called Dvorak to Edith, and thats why all the litters by Crying Wolf after the time of arrival of this Saarloos are marked as possible mixes on wolfdog.org database.
Before no one was blaming Edith for that as accidents can happen in the best kennels, till she started to REFUSE to help even the owner of the possible afected litters to clear the situation, meaning that she knows what happened and is trying to hide it.
If you want your dog be marked as pure dog, then now is much simpler as we know that the parents of Elbe are really her parents, you only need to ask the blood of Issar (who, so far I know, he is yet by Edith) for confirm if he is the real father.

you say ........ you are sure ........... but in fact you know nothing ... your database is an accumulation of bad data, I take for example the inability of your moderator French who use their status to denigrate some of our breeders and our dogs, we can not be modérators and sellers without party against just you, on condition of anonymity you hide behind an invisible barrier to destroy the work of some without feelings.
just look at the French forum dying because your moderators are disseminators of gossip, do not hesitate to tackle some breeders, but "protect" their contacts friends, there are dozens of errors on which you do not even ask not an eye, you trust incompetent plus months progressed, more errors are glaring, but you do nothing, you steal information, if you do not you invent, you disclose personal information without authorization, malgrés our constant demands to remove them, I call this a dictatorship, we are just owners, but we do not have the information, our addresses, our phone numbers are accessible without permits, and this is not normal ! when you give evidence, you think of others, I continue??

therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
to the wise ....

admin · 22-02-2012, 04:59

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Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
to the wise ....

I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France. There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem.

It is the reason why more and more breeders and owners ask as to ban whole French population of CsW arguing that French pedigress do not have any value and nobody can be sure while using dogs bred in FR that the puppies will be a pure CsWs.

Of course we can follow their wishes and ban ALL French dogs. But we decided to make something else - all problematic lines are marked. We will try to "clean" them using the DNA tests. But till it will be done the owners and breeders can see which lines are "problematic" and they can decide if they will risk by breeding the dogs or if they will wait till it will be known for sure that they are purebreed (or mixes).

ArImInIuM · 22-02-2012, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Admin

I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France. There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem.

It is the reason why more and more breeders and owners ask as to ban whole French population of CsW arguing that French pedigress do not have any value and nobody can be sure while using dogs bred in FR that the puppies will be a pure CsWs.

Of course we can follow their wishes and ban ALL French dogs. But we decided to make something else - all problematic lines are marked. We will try to "clean" them using the DNA tests. But till it will be done the owners and breeders can see which lines are "problematic" and they can decide if they will risk by breeding the dogs or if they will wait till it will be known for sure that they are purebreed (or mixes).

the problem that presents itself right now with some people is stigmatized in much of the animosity of some of our moderators French, many rumors are disclosed and conveyed and a total loss of confidence is instaled on WD, so a total desertion any stakeholder.
we are very likely to have regularly raised the problem we encountered with martiou07 freewild and without anything have been done, their stances too invective, see aggressive tire have many users.
by dint of lassitude and incomprehension, many people have seen have exceeded certain limits and banned from the finite basis.
I must remember that a moderator must be impartial to all breeders, that no personal feelings should interfere with a base that wants serious and global.
many photos do not match the dogs, many claims are not real, they are parts of rumors started by some moderators have finished recorded on this basis.
I must remember that a moderator must be impartial to all breeders, that no personal feelings should interfere with a base that wants serious and global.
many photos do not match the dogs, many claims are not real, they are parts of rumors started by some moderators have finished recorded on this basis.
to hear our moderators we do that without any evidence some mongrel dogs end up being banned for breeding from a dog suspected (while other farms that should be worried are not) yet they have the same reproductive .
the eyes of many individuals it's more like disinformation referred rather than an impartial desired.
we simply ask that cleaning is done both in terms of our dogs complained that within our moderators who use their "status", it's that simple, here's what circulates between lovers.
disclosure of "black list" of breeders via WD should never occur, WD wants informal and seriously, a valuable help for farmers around the world, make sure that your moderators are too.

to the wise

martiou07 · 24-02-2012, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Admin

I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France.There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem

is completely that

martiou07 · 24-02-2012, 23:42

Arriminium, the problem is not the moderation of the french forum but the fact that you voluntarily close the eyes….

you do not realize that by your debilities you kill the race gradually….

michaelundinaeichhorn · 25-02-2012, 21:22

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Originally Posted by martiou07

Arriminium, the problem is not the moderation of the french forum but the fact that you voluntarily close the eyes….

you do not realize that by your debilities you kill the race gradually….

Bravo...

Michael

24-02-2012, 23:42	#7
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	Arriminium, the problem is not the moderation of the french forum but the fact that you voluntarily close the eyes…. you do not realize that by your debilities you kill the race gradually…. __________________ Last edited by martiou07; 24-02-2012 at 23:50.