British Kennel Club Recognition

kalcon · 13-09-2011, 21:10

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

As I dont know him or have never heard of him before the forum post
I couldnt comment on him or his practices!

I think {in my opinion } any breeding or protential breeding of these dogs should only be done in the UK once KC reg is gained....by perhaps registered vetted breeders if that is at all possible?

Ive seen 2 'breeders' websites one in devon and one in orkney I have not seen his until today

It did make me wonder ..if he is such a terrible person and had no care for his puppies why he would go to such an extent to vet everyone he sells a puppy to and even rejected members of this forum? Strange... conflicting messages really!

There is obviously a demand for the dogs in the U.K but worries me that people are buying into something that they may not bargain for!

One would hope that people thinking of buying this breed would do research and find forums like this to make themselves aware before purchasing!! one can dream!!

..however I also didnt know this forum or website excisted either!

if I was to consider another dog I wouldnt buy from the UK until the breed was registered...{in my own opinion}

hello i am james i own a Czechoslovakian wolfdog bred by ronnie winder, i live only 3 miles from him, i have visited his kennels many times, he breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and he breeds other wolfdogs, he has never told any lies, he has bred a czech wolfdog to a wolf, but he has never bred a czech wolfdog to any other bred of dog, he bred the czech to the wolf as this is what he does with many breeders in European countries, Ireland and USA, i can assure you it is very hard to get a wolfdog from this man, 101 questions, he googles your post code to see where you live, he wants to know all about your life style, kids, animals, as i work and am away for 5 hrs a day he insisted i build an outdoor kennel and excercice area and that i also got another dog to keep the wolfdog company when i was at work, i have a labrador as well which he insisted i got castrated,,he treats everyone the same when vetting and only sells to best homes,,,,,,,,,,if you live in uk then email ronnie he wont eat you, and you can arrange visit to see his dogs and you can go into large enclosure with a pack of wolfdogs it is an experience you will never forget,,,,,,,james.

Vaiva · 13-09-2011, 21:16

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Originally Posted by kalcon

hello i am james i own a Czechoslovakian wolfdog bred by ronnie winder, i live only 3 miles from him, i have visited his kennels many times, he breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and he breeds other wolfdogs, he has never told any lies, he has bred a czech wolfdog to a wolf, but he has never bred a czech wolfdog to any other bred of dog, he bred the czech to the wolf as this is what he does with many breeders in European countries, Ireland and USA, i can assure you it is very hard to get a wolfdog from this man, 101 questions, he googles your post code to see where you live, he wants to know all about your life style, kids, animals, as i work and am away for 5 hrs a day he insisted i build an outdoor kennel and excercice area and that i also got another dog to keep the wolfdog company when i was at work, i have a labrador as well which he insisted i got castrated,,he treats everyone the same when vetting and only sells to best homes,,,,,,,,,,if you live in uk then email ronnie he wont eat you, and you can arrange visit to see his dogs and you can go into large enclosure with a pack of wolfdogs it is an experience you will never forget,,,,,,,james.

And mixing Czechoslovakian wolfdog with a wolf is NOT a purebred breeding. It is making of hybrids and none of decent CsW breeders will ever do it or say it is ok to do it.

kalcon · 13-09-2011, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

And mixing Czechoslovakian wolfdog with a wolf is NOT a purebred breeding. It is making of hybrids and none of decent CsW breeders will ever do it or say it is ok to do it.

maybe you need to look closer to home and see who does the same in your country because it has been done many times by many breeders over the years, the big difference with ronnie is he does not defruad people not like breeders in Europe who register x bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs with FCI............YOU KNOW IT HAPPENS AND SO DO WE ALL......so dont slate him for something he does and loves, look at his dogs they are out of this world, people from Europe own many of his wolfdogs, dont mix the jealousy of some people with people who dont like the fact that the czechoslovakian wolfdogs are in the uk,,,,,,,,ronnie complained about a bitch owned by Alunimum kennels in Italy,that had been used for breeding 10 times in 11yrs, first litter at under 1 year and 4 litters by the time she was only 2.5 yrs old, he was told to mind his own buisness and that the laws in Europe where different to uk, but this is not breeding its abuse of an animal, ronnie was banned for he would not let this matter drop, RONA was the main person think it was because ronnie said if all the litters are here on wolfdog.org then why did the moderators or people who do the data base not report this matter,,,,,,he was also called a liar by Rona years ago about de louba tar kennels ,,,,,,so happens ronnie was correct and de louba tar puppy mill was shut by authorites ,,,,,,,,,,dont condem this guy because he wants new bloodlines and used mother nature and one of his czechwolfdogs, the joke is he done it for breeders in Europe,,,,,,,,,,,

hedeon · 13-09-2011, 21:48

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Originally Posted by kalcon

maybe you need to look closer to home and see who does the same in your country because it has been done many times by many breeders over the years, the big difference with ronnie is he does not defruad people not like breeders in Europe who register x bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs with FCI............YOU KNOW IT HAPPENS AND SO DO WE ALL......

Following this way of thinking - I can shoot people on the streets. Oh, yeah I can. It happens everywhere, right? No one can point it out against me because others are doing so as well....
Well, I see Mr Winder had used this argument many times before, so he thinks that gives he right to cross. I prefer to compare myself with people better than me, not the worse ones...

kalcon · 13-09-2011, 22:22

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Following this way of thinking - I can shoot people on the streets. Oh, yeah I can. It happens everywhere, right? No one can point it out against me because others are doing so as well....
Well, I see Mr Winder had used this argument many times before, so he thinks that gives he right to cross. I prefer to compare myself with people better than me, not the worse ones...

you are very correct PATRYK and ronnie doesnt live to far from you my friend and he knows everyone in uk with wolfdogs and the people you have been contacting,,,,,,,,buy the way how do you like the uk? small world Patryk isnt it,,,,,,,

Murph · 13-09-2011, 22:25

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Originally Posted by kalcon

you are very correct PATRYK and ronnie doesnt live to far from you my friend and he knows everyone in uk with wolfdogs and the people you have been contacting,,,,,,,,buy the way how do you like the uk? small world Patryk isnt it,,,,,,,

...........lol!!

hedeon · 13-09-2011, 22:30

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Originally Posted by kalcon

you are very correct PATRYK and ronnie doesnt live to far from you my friend and he knows everyone in uk with wolfdogs and the people you have been contacting,,,,,,,,buy the way how do you like the uk? small world Patryk isnt it,,,,,,,

What Are you actually trying to say? What the message is? World is small because you know my name?
I like UK very much thank you.

Shadowlands · 14-09-2011, 08:40

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Originally Posted by kalcon

you are very correct PATRYK and ronnie doesnt live to far from you my friend and he knows everyone in uk with wolfdogs and the people you have been contacting,,,,,,,,buy the way how do you like the uk? small world Patryk isnt it,,,,,,,

Am I the only one who finds this a bit threatening?? I think Hedeon needs to take out a restraining order against these idiots

. Exactly the wrong type of people to be owning - and certainly breeding - CsV's, imo...

Tazer · 14-09-2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Am I the only one who finds this a bit threatening?? I think Hedeon needs to take out a restraining order against these idiots . Exactly the wrong type of people to be owning - and certainly breeding - CsV's, imo...

Watch it, you'll be next lol. But no seriously, it does come across as a bit...stalkerish. Again, that is jmo, you know just to make that absolutely clear.

Taz

Vaiva · 14-09-2011, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Am I the only one who finds this a bit threatening??

I find it.... hmmm.... pathetic would be a polite word

hedeon · 14-09-2011, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Am I the only one who finds this a bit threatening??

No, you're not. Well, I will leave it with no comment. Just let it to speak for itself.

happyfeet · 14-09-2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Following this way of thinking - I can shoot people on the streets. Oh, yeah I can. It happens everywhere, right? No one can point it out against me because others are doing so as well....
Well, I see Mr Winder had used this argument many times before, so he thinks that gives he right to cross. I prefer to compare myself with people better than me, not the worse ones...

Your examples are totally inapropriate !! JUST MY OPINION....

I see this and think should I read on this is a terrible example!

Vaiva · 13-09-2011, 21:54

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Originally Posted by kalcon

maybe you need to look closer to home and see who does the same in your country because it has been done many times by many breeders over the years,

Could you PLEASE use at least commas?... It is totally impossible to understand what you are writing...

But startingwith your first sentence - what CsW breeders in "my country" are making CsW/wolf hybrids?

We would all be very interested to hear it.

Nebulosa · 13-09-2011, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Could you PLEASE use at least commas?... It is totally impossible to understand what you are writing...

But startingwith your first sentence - what CsW breeders in "my country" are making CsW/wolf hybrids?

We would all be very interested to hear it.

He uses commas (better saying, he overuses it), but in wrong place.

Now we have an veeery close friend of Ronnie, who knows so deeply his history and mind that arrived to the point of even write like him

yukidomari · 13-09-2011, 22:26

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Originally Posted by kalcon

maybe you need to look closer to home and see who does the same in your country because it has been done many times by many breeders over the years, the big difference with ronnie is he does not defruad people not like breeders in Europe who register x bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs with FCI............YOU KNOW IT HAPPENS AND SO DO WE ALL......

yes, it's been done by others and it has also been similarly condemned by all lovers of the PUREBRED BREED called Czechoslovakian Vlcaks. perhaps you would care to look at the other threads on here in which others who cross breed have also been criticized? I suppose this 'breeder' has received like treatment.. is there something odd about that?

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Originally Posted by kalcon

ronnie complained about a bitch owned by Alunimum kennels in Italy,that had been used for breeding 10 times in 11yrs, first litter at under 1 year and 4 litters by the time she was only 2.5 yrs old, he was told to mind his own buisness and that the laws in Europe where different to uk, but this is not breeding its abuse of an animal, ronnie was banned for he would not let this matter drop,

Even if Ambra at Arimminum was bred like that, it was still under the auspices of the Italian Kennel Club which did register her litters. And as they are the holders of the pedigrees of purebred dogs in Italy, if they say it's OK then by the rules of purebred breeding it is OK, whether or not you personally agree with it.

last i knew, Mr. Winder was banned for using foul, abusive language on the forum..

I see no provisions under FCI for breeding purebred dogs for the type of breeding Mr. Winder prefers?

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Originally Posted by kalcon

dont condem this guy because he wants new bloodlines and used mother nature and one of his czechwolfdogs, the joke is he done it for breeders in Europe,,,,,,,,,,,

they are not 'new bloodlines' and not helpful to the breed when the pedigrees will not be accepted and they are not authorized crossings. for whatever reason it was done, it was not done to support the futurity of Czechoslovakian Vlcaks.

Rona · 13-09-2011, 22:58

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Originally Posted by kalcon

he was told to mind his own buisness and that the laws in Europe where different to uk, but this is not breeding its abuse of an animal, ronnie was banned for he would not let this matter drop, RONA was the main person think it was because ronnie said if all the litters are here on wolfdog.org then why did the moderators or people who do the data base not report this matter,,,,,,

Sorry, but it must be a mistake. I have nothing to do with breeding nor abusing dogs! I have ONE female, who lives in our flat as a family member, and I have never bred, nor intended to... so I don't even know much about breeding regulations!

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Originally Posted by kalcon

he was also called a liar by Rona years ago about de louba tar kennels ,,,,,,

I'm afraid Mr Winder must have misinformed you, see the posts beneath:
I only politely asked for explanation:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=29
Thanked for it:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...7&postcount=38
supported Mr Winder against attacks of some French forum memebers:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...6&postcount=52

and finally refused to be involved by Mr Winder in the "kennel war"
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=184

I've never called anybody a liar on this forum or any other!

happyfeet · 14-09-2011, 19:34

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Originally Posted by kalcon

hello i am james i own a Czechoslovakian wolfdog bred by ronnie winder, i live only 3 miles from him, i have visited his kennels many times, he breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and he breeds other wolfdogs, he has never told any lies, he has bred a czech wolfdog to a wolf, but he has never bred a czech wolfdog to any other bred of dog, he bred the czech to the wolf as this is what he does with many breeders in European countries, Ireland and USA, i can assure you it is very hard to get a wolfdog from this man, 101 questions, he googles your post code to see where you live, he wants to know all about your life style, kids, animals, as i work and am away for 5 hrs a day he insisted i build an outdoor kennel and excercice area and that i also got another dog to keep the wolfdog company when i was at work, i have a labrador as well which he insisted i got castrated,,he treats everyone the same when vetting and only sells to best homes,,,,,,,,,,if you live in uk then email ronnie he wont eat you, and you can arrange visit to see his dogs and you can go into large enclosure with a pack of wolfdogs it is an experience you will never forget,,,,,,,james.

Hello James

Thankyou for the info on the way the breeder vetted you.

I am not in the market for a puppy as I have a 6 and half year old pure laid at my feet and hope that I have a good few years yet!

I dont mind your dots and dashes, I dont really think it matters in the whole scheme of things , I see many spelling mistakes etc from a few members but just think its because english is a second language to some and over look it. I put my spelling down to age and limited keyboard skills!
I sometimes do it myself as I am thinking and hit a few extra keys.