Communism - what you think about it?

Morian · 03-07-2011, 13:15

but we still need visas, you don't

i know only that our family never had such problems with travels and permisions. each epoch and each power has its own positive and negative aspects. an absolute evil (like absolute good of course) exists only in myths. that's why i wonder every time when i see too categorical opinions. they look too stulid

i can say i lived in romania and spoke with many people from there. and many of them even miss past times (i don't mean new generations which saw soviet times only on tv). also my grandmother was estonian, but i never heard any bad thing about ussr from her, there were let's say normal discussions - we discuss the same problems now, nothing exceptional... i don't protect soviets etc., i just want to say that nobody knows what your children or grandchildren will tell about nowdays. maybe they will use all the same words like occupation, poverty and inequality

Rona · 03-07-2011, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Morian

but we still need visas, you don't

Yes, I know and this should be changed asap.

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Originally Posted by Morian

i know only that our family never had such problems with travels and permisions. each epoch and each power has its own positive and negative aspects.

You don't have to tell me this

I know there were lots of positive aspects of living in those times - really free education, much less polluted envirnoment, less competitive and 'commercial' relations among people, etc. I was a student in the 70-ties and had fantatstic time hiking in the mountains almost for free; sight-seeing in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, meeting many warm and hospitable people everywhere we went.

But on the other hand, as a child I was unable to visit my British grandma with both of my parents - one of them had to stay in the country to guarantee that the other will bring me back

. Every citizen was suspected of potential law-breaking, we had to lie at school in history lessons, etc. etc. I don't miss that at all.

Morian · 03-07-2011, 14:49

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

Rona · 03-07-2011, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Morian

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

True

I call it "MacGyver education model"

Vaiva · 04-07-2011, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Morian

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

Morian, how many members of your family were killed, taken to Siberia or had to run away from soviets?

What was this topic about anyway?

Morian · 04-07-2011, 12:58

vaiva, another question - have you lived in those times you hate so much?

i don't want to continue this discussion here, just afraid to offend someone

Vaiva · 04-07-2011, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Morian

vaiva, another question - have you lived in those times you hate so much?

i don't want to continue this discussion here, just afraid to offend someone

Not much. I was born in 1983. My parents did. Grandparents did. Or do you think they all just lie about "these times"? They just created some horror stories themselves? Yes, this discussion would be more suitable in private, because it is not about wolfdogs.

Morion, don't you feel that political environment and your nice childhood memories do not allow you to see some things in real light? Please, inform me next time you come to Lithuania, I will be glad to show you the other side

Morian · 04-07-2011, 13:14

vaiva, i'm very sorry, but for me it's not too difficult to explain your position. but i really don't want to offend you. and believe me, i know about soviets not from "nice childhood memories" unlike you. i don't want to discuss it nor here, heither in private or in lithuania

i wrote here what i think and maybe you must read it once again. i wrote that i don't protect soviets, i don't support soviets and surely i don't advertise soviets

from my point of view this world is not black/white, hope you also have no problems with your eyes

wolfin · 04-07-2011, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Not much. I was born in 1983. My parents did. Grandparents did. Or do you think they all just lie about "these times"? They just created some horror stories themselves? Yes, this discussion would be more suitable in private, because it is not about wolfdogs.

Morion, don't you feel that political environment and your nice childhood memories do not allow you to see some things in real light? Please, inform me next time you come to Lithuania, I will be glad to show you the other side

hmm my parents born in CCCP, grown and end universitat free, can travel in others land who be in CCCP very cheap, when maried became a flat free, have a work without problem. My grandma say - not russian or german was bad, not simple people but politic system .
but yes this not place speak about this. All imperium have and good and bad side.

better see in future not back

yukidomari · 04-07-2011, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

What was this topic about anyway?

This topic is about all the countries which are dishonest. Limited only to 'poor' ones.

03-07-2011, 13:15	#1
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	but we still need visas, you don't i know only that our family never had such problems with travels and permisions. each epoch and each power has its own positive and negative aspects. an absolute evil (like absolute good of course) exists only in myths. that's why i wonder every time when i see too categorical opinions. they look too stulid i can say i lived in romania and spoke with many people from there. and many of them even miss past times (i don't mean new generations which saw soviet times only on tv). also my grandmother was estonian, but i never heard any bad thing about ussr from her, there were let's say normal discussions - we discuss the same problems now, nothing exceptional... i don't protect soviets etc., i just want to say that nobody knows what your children or grandchildren will tell about nowdays. maybe they will use all the same words like occupation, poverty and inequality __________________

03-07-2011, 14:49	#3
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what? __________________

04-07-2011, 12:58	#6
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	vaiva, another question - have you lived in those times you hate so much? i don't want to continue this discussion here, just afraid to offend someone __________________

04-07-2011, 13:14	#8
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	vaiva, i'm very sorry, but for me it's not too difficult to explain your position. but i really don't want to offend you. and believe me, i know about soviets not from "nice childhood memories" unlike you. i don't want to discuss it nor here, heither in private or in lithuania i wrote here what i think and maybe you must read it once again. i wrote that i don't protect soviets, i don't support soviets and surely i don't advertise soviets from my point of view this world is not black/white, hope you also have no problems with your eyes __________________