Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[Jet]

It seems that "affected" are not only suggested litters of T-Crying wolf and S-Crying Wolf but also V-Crying Wolf and Y-Crying Wolf. And their offsprings.

So Admin, what is the next step?

- Are you going to stick a 'MIX' on these litters?

- Are you going to tell every'one :
till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Jet

till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

I do not think he has to write that people are to be very cautious when buying dogs from this kennel for more than one reason

But please tell us Jet, are you defending false pedigree´s and / or MIX breeding or do you want to try to stop it ???

And if you want to stop it, please tell us how to do it... If (we) can not tell it here and the mixing gets bigger fore every year, how can we ever stop it ???

Regards / Mikael

[Jet]

I just want to hope the same rules are used for every one here.

So long we are speaking about 'la louve Blanche', this subject only concern Frank and owners of his litters. Outside that, we only can give opinions, helps, but nothing else usefull.

But Still I am french, with kinds relations with some breeders inside my country (Indiananous, Sherdor, et much more...) I think Wolfdog members, all around the world, have to be all eyes with these problems, without denigrate France. It is not the way.

Another problem is that there is very friendly people who bought puppies from la Louve Blanche. It is very hard to not stand together with them. Some of them are hurted by these stories. But You are right, me too, I must keep the right way.

I think it is easier for the admin to try to eliminate the louve blanche problem. Just a few dogs in Europe. The Crying wolf litters is a very bigger problem... How many dogs are coming from S/T/Y/V lines? A few hundred? thousand of puppies? In every country???

As we are always expecting wich AWD dog, with proofs (Admin just said he is 100% sure, really not enough for us), is in La louve blanche's breeds, you have a picture of a Saarloos mâle in the Crying Kennel, just at the born time. I see your investigation on it, but it seems to be less belligerent.

Be sure Mikael, my voice is just a hope of fairy justice...

[admin]

Originally Posted by Jet

I just want to hope the same rules are used for every one here.

So long we are speaking about 'la louve Blanche', this subject only concern Frank and owners of his litters. Outside that, we only can give opinions, helps, but nothing else usefull.

But Still I am french, with kinds relations with some breeders inside my country (Indiananous, Sherdor, et much more...) I think Wolfdog members, all around the world, have to be all eyes with these problems, without denigrate France. It is not the way.

Another problem is that there is very friendly people who bought puppies from la Louve Blanche. It is very hard to not stand together with them. Some of them are hurted by these stories. But You are right, me too, I must keep the right way.

I think it is easier for the admin to try to eliminate the louve blanche problem. Just a few dogs in Europe. The Crying wolf litters is a very bigger problem... How many dogs are coming from S/T/Y/V lines? A few hundred? thousand of puppies? In every country???

As we are always expecting wich AWD dog, with proofs (Admin just said he is 100% sure, really not enough for us), is in La louve blanche's breeds, you have a picture of a Saarloos mâle in the Crying Kennel, just at the born time. I see your investigation on it, but it seems to be less belligerent.

Be sure Mikael, my voice is just a hope of fairy justice...

Look, I really understand your position. Even more because there are many breeders and owners from France who are trying to help and offered their help. Even of some their dogs can be "affected". I know also that many buyers of puppies from the de la Louve blanche kennel had no idea that the dogs are crosses.
But it is why the problem has been made public and why it must be stopped and cleared as fast as possible - we do not want simply more people who has been cheated by insincere breeders.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Jet

Another problem is that there is very friendly people who bought puppies from la Louve Blanche. It is very hard to not stand together with them. Some of them are hurted by these stories. But You are right, me too, I must keep the right way.

Hello Jet,

I trying to understand your point of view. I am just a simple owner, but if I brought a dog, later someone has some evidence or suspicion that my breeder is using mixes, or that my dog itself was a mix, I would try my best to find out the truth, not stand blindly by my breeder. Because really, if I paid a lot of money and believed I got a purebred dog, and got a mixed dog instead, I wouldn't love my dog less but I would be upset at the breeder for lying.

Of course, it might be different if I was a breeder and now my investment was 'wasted'..

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

if I paid a lot of money and believed I got a purebred dog, and got a mixed dog instead, I wouldn't love my dog less but I would be upset at the breeder for lying.

I don't know how it is in France but here in Finland the Kennel Club rules are that if a dog is later found to be a mix instead of pure bred (and so looses it's registration) the breeder is obligated to refund the total price for the buyers.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

I don't know how it is in France but here in Finland the Kennel Club rules are that if a dog is later found to be a mix instead of pure bred (and so looses it's registration) the breeder is obligated to refund the total price for the buyers.

Well, in many countries the same could be done by signing a contract. They can differ in many ways,but still usually breeder states that he or she is selling a purebreed dog.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Jet

So Admin, what is the next step?

- Are you going to stick a 'MIX' on these litters?

- Are you going to tell every'one :
till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

I will mark with !!!!_!___!!! litters and offsprings of Sybir and Thalia (and all dogs from their litters) till the same will be explained.
But when we talk about the whole kennel: it is the same the case as the case of the French kennel - the credibility of this kennel is also missing at the moment. It seems that some dogs can be mixes. And that the breeder knew it very well. The question is: which dogs and litters are "affected". Mixing with Saarloos can give "strange" looking dogs but also puppies which seems normal and first they offspring will show characteristics typical for Saarloos (example: "normal" Sibir and first his offspring are "Saarloos alike").