Géméhtouès des Loups de l'Ostrevent dite Edora

[hekate]

Originally Posted by Admin

Here is the photo of the mother of Doz which come from a genetic VERY strong line of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs:


Do you see ANY similarity between her and her "daughter":

Je suis d'accord Doz ne ressemble pas a sa mère mais a ses oncles OUI!!!

Vaya Kyba


Ou encore Voice of Wolf



Photo de Doz adulte, je suis désolé mais elle a le même masque et la même forme de tete que Voice

[bruna]

Originally Posted by hekate

Je suis d'accord Doz ne ressemble pas a sa mère mais a ses oncles OUI!!!

Vaya Kyba


Ou encore Voice of Wolf



Photo de Doz adulte, je suis désolé mais elle a le même masque et la même forme de tete que Voice

tout a fait d'accord !!!! la tête moins comment dire ???? douce, voice est un male ne l'oublions pas ... mais la similitude est flagrante




pourtant voice est hyper typé !! pas de mix ?????!!!


je penses , je sais k'on va encore me dire "faut ouvrir les yeux ", lol !!!
mais les deux extrêmes sont possibles encore chez le clt, typés loup et typés berger... ca me rire kand on voit des clt pas typé et k'on dit c pas des clt kand on en voit des typés c idem, faut savoir ce k'on veut kand même !!!

[hekate]

Originally Posted by bruna

tout a fait d'accord !!!! la tête moins comment dire ???? douce, voice est un male ne l'oublions pas ... mais la similitude est flagrante

Et bien on va dire que Doz a comme défaut d’être masculine

[bruna]

Originally Posted by hekate

Et bien on va dire que Doz a comme défaut d’être masculine

lol! je parlais de voice ki a la tête plus masculine pas doz hihi

[indiananous]

Et bien que les éleveurs tchèques nous indiquent les tests à faire et ou nous devons les envoyer et ainsi nous verront biens les éleveurs ou propriétaire de chiens incriminer qui joueront le jeu.

Car si il est vrai que dans la lignée de ma chienne il y a autre chose que du CLT voir pire du saarloos alors il faut agir au plus vite. Et j'espère bien que le nom du chien qui à été testé soit communiquer (surtout si il vient de chez moi lol) pour que la portée soit également connu en France et INTERDIT de reproduction !!!




c'est comme pour la myélopathie ou le nanisme, personne n'est à l'abri d'un soucis de santé sur la lignée qu'il utilise,ou d'une retrempe de l'éleveur, mais il suffit de faire tester ces chiens et de faire les mariages en connaissance pour les maladies, et la stérilisation pour les mélanges, mais arrêter de jouer à l'autruche!!!! car avec ces conneries c'est toute la race qui en prend un coup !!!!

[admin]

Originally Posted by hekate

Je suis d'accord Doz ne ressemble pas a sa mère mais a ses oncles OUI!!!

Vaya Kyba


Ou encore Voice of Wolf



Photo de Doz adulte, je suis désolé mais elle a le même masque et la même forme de tete que Voice

You are wrong - you try to choose similar photos but please REALLY compare the dogs:

"V" z Molu Es have in the most cases too heavy heads

are strong and rather short legged

and overangulated

Vendetta has all these faults togehter is overangulated, with too short legs, to heavy head.


And from such female you get Doz which has totally different body, head and structure.



I wrote about Vendetta's puppies - dogs which are in Finland are hidden by the owners who are too afraid to show them to public, one dog was imported to France, one lives by the Mutara_mix breeder in Italy. My question is: why these breeders imported expensive puppies of a very poor quality female and from an unknown kennel if they have much better dogs in their kennels and in their countries? Are they stupid? NO. You know why? They were sure the puppies will not be similar to the bad mother because they will be not Czechoslovakain Wolfdogs but mixes.

Anyway maybe a beginner do not see any differences between Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and these mixes. Maybe you want to believe they are purebreed but I received toons of emails from Germany, Czech Republic and Slovakia criticizing the illegal mixes. Not even one person is protecting these dogs - they even want to list all these "untypical" dogs as mixes. The arguments I listed you I get from really experienced breeders. Because all these breeders who breed CsW longer time clearly see the cheating of pedigrees. I think French people are the only who still believe that these dogs are "good work of French breeders".

About facts:
/ mutts beed by Italian kennels "Passo del Lupo", "Foresta Incantata", (priv. Vityuhova) are offsprings of "Muratas" (white wolf-gsd-malamute-something mixes). It is official - nobody hide it.
/ the DNA test was done of the "U" de Louba Tar dog. It is Saarloos-cross and all offsprings of the "U"-litter are marked now as "Saarloos_mixes". I was informed about other crosses in this kennel - but the dogs are under "investigation" but not DNA tested till now.
/ Finish "D" litter is not purebreed also. After the topic on the English forum (http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16436) when the Finish breeder started to remove all proves from her web site to hide all wolves and their similarity with the "D" litter we started to investigate also this case and the Czech source which approved the fact that the "Mutara"-group work with this kennel also. I will ask the person which sent us very well documented proves to publish them on the forum.
/ There are French litters which also differ to much from the CsW look - show untypical colors which never appeared by Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs; show untypical double-coloured-Saarloos masks which do not exist by CsW and have other characteristics which are typical for Saarloos or American-Wolf crosses but not for this breed. We will try to make DNA tests also of these dogs. If the doubts will be confirmed -. there will be more lines marked with "MIX".