Russian Army Wolfdog Projekt

Morian · 22-05-2011, 13:49

ehh... some info from russia

i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required

may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

Morian · 22-05-2011, 13:54

ah, how i could forget it. on of their points is - volkosobs live until 30 years. yes, they say it seriously. let's wait, 25 years later we'll see who was right

Mikael · 22-05-2011, 16:12

Thanks Silvester and Morian

Morian... What is the name of the (breed) in the video and what are they mixes of ???

Best regards / Mikael

Morian · 22-05-2011, 17:35

all 3 videos are about volkosobs from perm, this crazy military experiment... they all are gsd/wolf mixes of different generations. you can find their so called pedigrees on their site (link was given here earlier). i don't know how many gsds they used, but it was only 1 she-wolf najda. so f2 etc have super strong inbreeding.
example (taken from their site) is in attachment

Mikael · 22-05-2011, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morian

all 3 videos are about volkosobs from perm, this crazy military experiment... they all are gsd/wolf mixes of different generations. you can find their so called pedigrees on their site (link was given here earlier). i don't know how many gsds they used, but it was only 1 she-wolf najda. so f2 etc have super strong inbreeding.
example (taken from their site) is in attachment

Thanks again

Russian BIG wolves was used, right ???

But this are just military wolfdogs, not for private owners

Or am I wrong ???

Are they planing more lines and to try to get them to be working dogs in the future ??? Or will there just be a few at this military base ???

Very best regards / Mikael

PS, BTW, I´m only interested in info, not a dog

...DS

Morian · 22-05-2011, 21:26

russian normal wolves, i think

also i think they can sell them to private owners too... unfortunately. about lines etc. - yes, they have plans, but nothing more. but i can't share the info i have from people which worked with them, it would be just a low blow

*Satu · 22-05-2011, 22:14

In 2003, I met one man who took part in that test and he told the experiment was over.
Big problems whit character and healty.

soul · 21-03-2012, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morian

ehh... some info from russia

i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required

may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

when was this?

Jennin Lauma · 24-03-2012, 22:24

Yes, I would also like to know more about this. When did this happen, and is there any news links about this?

Are these the animals in question?

http://huskygo.karelia.ru/en/partrace/Ivanovich/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owG2CcXHbZc

...And doesn't Russian Wolfhound mean Borzoi?

Jennin Lauma · 24-03-2012, 22:38

I Googled this in Russian, and found this:

http://www.fontanka.ru/2009/09/07/031/

Google Crome translator helps

jefta · 25-03-2012, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

...And doesn't Russian Wolfhound mean Borzoi?

Borzoi is Russian Greyhound

Jennin Lauma · 26-03-2012, 02:34

But still for some reason when I Google Russian Wolfhound, all I get is sites about the Borzois.
Nothing related to wolfdogs / "hybrids".

...btw, off topic: I love Borzois

And also Salukis.

22-05-2011, 13:49	#1
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	ehh... some info from russia i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg... __________________ Last edited by Morian; 22-05-2011 at 13:51.

22-05-2011, 13:54	#2
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	ah, how i could forget it. on of their points is - volkosobs live until 30 years. yes, they say it seriously. let's wait, 25 years later we'll see who was right __________________

22-05-2011, 16:12	#3
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22-05-2011, 21:26	#6
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	russian normal wolves, i think also i think they can sell them to private owners too... unfortunately. about lines etc. - yes, they have plans, but nothing more. but i can't share the info i have from people which worked with them, it would be just a low blow __________________

22-05-2011, 22:14	#7
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	In 2003, I met one man who took part in that test and he told the experiment was over. Big problems whit character and healty. __________________ www.csv.fi

24-03-2012, 22:38	#10
Jennin Lauma Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 66	I Googled this in Russian, and found this: http://www.fontanka.ru/2009/09/07/031/ Google Crome translator helps __________________ -Jenni- http://jenninlauma.weebly.com

26-03-2012, 02:34	#12
Jennin Lauma Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 66	But still for some reason when I Google Russian Wolfhound, all I get is sites about the Borzois. Nothing related to wolfdogs / "hybrids". ...btw, off topic: I love Borzois And also Salukis. __________________ -Jenni- http://jenninlauma.weebly.com