Is the Czechoslovakian wolfdog breed for me?

[IAmLisaP]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

csv's dont eat much someone needs to remind Tupac!

and shy for training? are you talking csv or swh?

my Tupac gets very 'switched on' to training and when he is focussing he does it well...the trick is making it short and fun imo.

i am also concerned with the doggy daycare aspect or do you have a separate section for the staff dogs?

The rooms are supervised 24/7 btw

[jefta]

About 5 years ago I have dreamed about sucesfull training with this amaizing breed. Before buying I saw hunderds of csv on shows, meetings and training camps. I saw that everything is great only in internet. In real is much worst. I m from Poland not from USA so it was possible to see so much csv from varius coutries, lines etc. I had oportunities to make decision with knowlege all facts. After that I change my plans and I dont espect training sucses, but i decided to buy csv-very nice companion dog for activ people.

[tupacs2legs]

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I dont espect training sucses,

i find that sad i see that as failure as a trainer not as a failure of the breed.

[jefta]

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Originally Posted by jefta

I dont espect training sucses,

i find that sad i see that as failure as a trainer not as a failure of the breed.

Its not so bad I want to train her for mayby top 10 of the breed. But in all its not high level


p.s high level for me is national or even world championship. Vaiva, Tupac, how much csv complete in national championship in any coutry and any discypline? Not much (any?) for so perfect working breed

[Rona]

Originally Posted by jefta

Its not so bad I want to train her for mayby top 10 of the breed. But in all its not high level

p.s high level for me is national or even world championship. Vaiva, Tupac, how much csv complete in national championship in any coutry and any discypline? Not much (any?) for so perfect working breed

Apparently you dreamed of a "nice" CSV Post 17: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17300

CSVs differ from each other a lot. Some individuals are better with kids, some - with sports, others - with tracking/trailing or guarding, etc.etc. If somebody wants a working champion he/she should get a more specialized, "nice" breed.

I belive CSVs are more like kids in the family. While they're growing the owner should let the dog try various activities and watch which he/she is best at and then develop this particular talent. We found obedience boring, agility too "controlled", tracking OK, but trailing... most fascinating and interesting!

There was a discussion on this topic earlier, but many experienced owners found out that CSVs are best at "real" work activites - searching humans, guarding places, helping their owners in field work of any sort. However seriously taken, sport is always a "mock" activity.

[jefta]

Rona wrote that her Lorka is first not shy csv seen by her trainer. And you where so suprised when I wrote that they are shy...

same times ago I changed my opinion about training for similar to Rona.


just few csv works in reserching and traking. If as guarding dog you understand dog which is barking by gate but run away from figurant-yes they are good guarding dogs... I know much dogs this expiriend owners and my opinion about them is diffrent then owners opinion. I was thinking about it when I wrote that "internet true" is difrent than reality

[Rona]

Originally Posted by jefta

Rona wrote that her Lorka is first not shy csv seen by her trainer. And you where so suprised when I wrote that they are shy...as thinking about it when I wrote that "internet true" is difrent than reality

I did mention that the trainer came from a country where there were very few vlcaks... I suppose this was the true reason of his opinion +
1. the fact that CSV training is much more challenging, time-consuming, and thus costly than of the "nice" breeds that do not 'think' as much as CSVs do.
2. the fact that one cannot easily predict and plan what kind of activity (if any) a vlcak would be happy and willing to do.

Originally Posted by jefta

same times ago I changed my opinion about training for similar to Rona.

Well, I think vlcaks are very trainable, though not necessarily for exams designed for GSD, malinois and other "nice" breeds.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by jefta

Rona wrote that her Lorka is first not shy csv seen by her trainer. And you where so suprised when I wrote that they are shy...

When I got Brukne many dog lovers in Lithuania were totally sure that wolfdogs are "shy, psychically unstable, agressive, untrainable dogs" - but there were two CSV in Lithuania at the moment and people who were talking like that had never seen a wolfdog alive They simply decided, that a "wolf-mix" should be like that

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by jefta

just few csv works in reserching and traking. If as guarding dog you understand dog which is barking by gate but run away from figurant-yes they are good guarding dogs... I know much dogs this expiriend owners and my opinion about them is diffrent then owners opinion. I was thinking about it when I wrote that "internet true" is difrent than reality

Sorry, but it's simply not truth about the BREED itself, it's your own experience and of most of people who never depended on a real guarding dog.
If my dogs had run away of bandits I would be simply not alive right now.
My dogs would bark one or two times in a very different and low way if they want to warn me about something different that's happening, but when they need to enter in action they are completely silence, the most interesting thing is that at pack they work in a very organized and planned way.

Originally Posted by Jefta

Next problem is motivation-low prey drive and i dont know the word-ofen they dont like eat too much.

Or your wolfdog have a very atypical character or you did something wrong in its developement.
Wolfdogs have a HUGE prey-drive, much more than common working breeds, the little difference is that they are mature and often too inteligent of what we expect a dog to be, these features turn almost impossible for you to convert prey to play, and that's the point which makes harder to train a wolfdog.

About "dont eat too much", it's very particular of each dog, but if you mean that by "they dont accept food as trait" then perhaps you havent found yet the right trait.

By my experience, all my dogs are very trainable with a piece of cheese.

Originally Posted by IAMLisaP

The dog needs have no fear of small spaces, dark areas, obstacles etc. and of course high pray/ball drive. Does this sound like a wolfdog?

It will all depends on the socialization work that the breeder and principally you will do with the pup.
if you socialize him with all that in a right way he will have no fear at all, but if you fail you will have a harder work to took away this "fear".
Play drive not, if I play a ball to my dogs they will only stand looking at me with a face that could be translate as "what's the point of it? if you wanna it back go and catch it by yourself, im not your slave", well and seems most of CsV are like that.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by jefta

p.s high level for me is national or even world championship. Vaiva, Tupac, how much csv complete in national championship in any coutry and any discypline? Not much (any?) for so perfect working breed

First of all I do not know any CSV owners who would want to train their dogs for national/world championships. You must be the first. We have 400 breeds and mostly people who want sports or training also like other breeds. Admit - the ones who buy wolfdogs are very different from ones, who buy GSD, I have friends in love with GSD or Belgians and I find big differences between them and people having CSV, bull type breeds or hunting dogs. Most people who choose CSV are not so trainable themselves I myself find training boring and meaningless - I have my perfect dog, who can travel by train or bus, walk with me wherever I want, deal with situations and people - and she is much better in this when some training champions. Why should I want a dog who is good at protection if I am not working in police or army? Where will I use her ability to sit in one comand while we are walking? What is the use of jumping up the barriers?
In my "most beloved" breeds list come shibas, shikokus, salukis, bullterriers and now dogo argentino is coming to it hardly (because of one very special dog ) - not belgians, bordercollies, gsd. They are lovely and beautifull, but not the dogs that woulld be happy with me

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Most people who choose CSV are not so trainable themselves I myself find training boring and meaningless - I have my perfect dog, who can travel by train or bus, walk with me wherever I want, deal with situations and people - and she is much better in this when some training champions. Why should I want a dog who is good at protection if I am not working in police or army? Where will I use her ability to sit in one comand while we are walking? What is the use of jumping up the barriers?

Very good post, Vaiva! Vlcaks are rational dogs for rational people

[jefta]

So in concusion csv is good breed for Lisa (obedience and k9) or not?


In Poland this is popular breed now. On every show people can see few csv from diferent lines and breeders. Its not opinion people which have never seen csv before.