czw puppy

Rush · 17-04-2011, 20:20

Well becouse of such reasons i try to have him off-leash as much as posibble, so he will learn that he can freely run few meters from me or beside me if he is good with that and so he wouldn't run away..Becouse in my opinion if i would have him leashed all the time and then i would try to have him off-leash he might get that as: "I'm free to do anything i want now"..I'm not experienced but just my opinon..
So i try to have him unleashed and control and correct him when needed..So that he would know that even if he is free of leash there are still limits..
Maybe i think wrong, but i will see it trought time..
Also at home, i'm starting to leave him alone on yard for few minutes and give him praise when i come back..
Anyway as he is puppy he is afraid to be alone(Thats reason for hunting-run away). And it's always true, he never goes far, he always follows..And i hope i can teach him to keep that behavior even when he grows up..

Thanks for help
Matevž

Tassle · 17-04-2011, 20:36

It is always best when training dogs to try and set them up to get things right.

Often if you train with punishment based methods, the punishments have to become increasingly more severe as the dog get the rewards from life.

I would start (as another person mentioned) teaching a leave it command on low value items, moving towards higher value as he learns the command better.

I have sometimes used a trail lead (with harness) to allow the dog freedom without restraint, but allowing me to retain control and prevent the dog from gaining any reward (in this situation, a chase) from the environment.

I used this with my CsVx when he was younger to teach him to ignore Sheep. It is still a work in progress and I would NEVER trust him off lead around them, but he can quite happily ignore their presence now.

yukidomari · 17-04-2011, 20:53

Well at eight weeks, your pup doesn't have a fully developed prey drive anyway. But it would be dangerous for me to let a developing adolescent dog who hadn't been proofed off leash.. He could get hit by a car or shot for harassing wild life here. But, that's here, and may not apply to you. Good luck with your training.

Rush · 17-04-2011, 21:01

It's all true about cars, so as i said i have to control him all the time, keep an eye on him, also other dangerous things out there, but i doubt for being shot, especially as he is puppy..If you mean it in woods or so..

Rush · 17-04-2011, 21:25

If i would go to the city where there is lots of traffic, or walking on road where there is many cars i would have him on leash..Mostly what i meant with as much as posibble to have him off-leash i meant in woods, fields and where not many cars and dangerous object would be.. :-)

Shadowlands · 18-04-2011, 08:35

I don't know how it is in Slovenia, but here in Bulgaria there is still a bounty on wolves so we never go into the forest at the weekend when the hunters are around. They would shoot first, ask questions later (like 'Why was that wolf wearing a bright red collar?').

We go daily to the fields and down into the valley to the river but I always make sure it is late in the evening when all of the livestock is back home. Occassionally we will meet some shepherd with goats or cows or something but they are always the ones who are nervous of Shadow even though she has never done anything to deserve this as she is good and comes when called.

As yukidomari says, it is vital to have a rock solid 'leave' and 'come' response before you let them off lead. Shadow was exactly like your pup when she was small (our neighbours used to tease me about it and ask if she went further than 10m away on her walk) but, believe me, that will soon change!

Rush · 18-04-2011, 09:10

well, about wolfs its no problem here, there are in one part of country but not here.. Yes i know it will soon change about walking near me, but until then im trying to make him understand he does it right this way.. But im also training come all the time..for leave it i just use no..is that not good?

Rush · 18-04-2011, 09:15

so you had your pup leashed all the time until he was obeying come command?and leave it? What was the result after growing?

Shadowlands · 18-04-2011, 14:29

Until Shadow had the 'come' and 'leave' commands, she was only off leash in a contained place (where I knew there were no creatures for her to chase) and on a long leash elsewhere. Now she is 3, we haven't regressed and she listens well. I only use these words as they seemed right for me - as long as your pup understands and responds appropriately, it doesn't matter what word you use but I felt that 'No' is used too often in normal speech and that she may get confused.

18-04-2011, 14:29	#9
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Until Shadow had the 'come' and 'leave' commands, she was only off leash in a contained place (where I knew there were no creatures for her to chase) and on a long leash elsewhere. Now she is 3, we haven't regressed and she listens well. I only use these words as they seemed right for me - as long as your pup understands and responds appropriately, it doesn't matter what word you use but I felt that 'No' is used too often in normal speech and that she may get confused. Last edited by Shadowlands; 18-04-2011 at 21:07. Reason: my spelling!

17-04-2011, 20:20	#1
Rush Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 35	Well becouse of such reasons i try to have him off-leash as much as posibble, so he will learn that he can freely run few meters from me or beside me if he is good with that and so he wouldn't run away..Becouse in my opinion if i would have him leashed all the time and then i would try to have him off-leash he might get that as: "I'm free to do anything i want now"..I'm not experienced but just my opinon.. So i try to have him unleashed and control and correct him when needed..So that he would know that even if he is free of leash there are still limits.. Maybe i think wrong, but i will see it trought time.. Also at home, i'm starting to leave him alone on yard for few minutes and give him praise when i come back.. Anyway as he is puppy he is afraid to be alone(Thats reason for hunting-run away). And it's always true, he never goes far, he always follows..And i hope i can teach him to keep that behavior even when he grows up.. Thanks for help Matevž

17-04-2011, 20:36	#2
Tassle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 137	It is always best when training dogs to try and set them up to get things right. Often if you train with punishment based methods, the punishments have to become increasingly more severe as the dog get the rewards from life. I would start (as another person mentioned) teaching a leave it command on low value items, moving towards higher value as he learns the command better. I have sometimes used a trail lead (with harness) to allow the dog freedom without restraint, but allowing me to retain control and prevent the dog from gaining any reward (in this situation, a chase) from the environment. I used this with my CsVx when he was younger to teach him to ignore Sheep. It is still a work in progress and I would NEVER trust him off lead around them, but he can quite happily ignore their presence now.

17-04-2011, 20:53	#3
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Well at eight weeks, your pup doesn't have a fully developed prey drive anyway. But it would be dangerous for me to let a developing adolescent dog who hadn't been proofed off leash.. He could get hit by a car or shot for harassing wild life here. But, that's here, and may not apply to you. Good luck with your training.

17-04-2011, 21:01	#4
Rush Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 35	It's all true about cars, so as i said i have to control him all the time, keep an eye on him, also other dangerous things out there, but i doubt for being shot, especially as he is puppy..If you mean it in woods or so..

17-04-2011, 21:25	#5
Rush Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 35	If i would go to the city where there is lots of traffic, or walking on road where there is many cars i would have him on leash..Mostly what i meant with as much as posibble to have him off-leash i meant in woods, fields and where not many cars and dangerous object would be.. :-)

18-04-2011, 08:35	#6
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	I don't know how it is in Slovenia, but here in Bulgaria there is still a bounty on wolves so we never go into the forest at the weekend when the hunters are around. They would shoot first, ask questions later (like 'Why was that wolf wearing a bright red collar?'). We go daily to the fields and down into the valley to the river but I always make sure it is late in the evening when all of the livestock is back home. Occassionally we will meet some shepherd with goats or cows or something but they are always the ones who are nervous of Shadow even though she has never done anything to deserve this as she is good and comes when called. As yukidomari says, it is vital to have a rock solid 'leave' and 'come' response before you let them off lead. Shadow was exactly like your pup when she was small (our neighbours used to tease me about it and ask if she went further than 10m away on her walk) but, believe me, that will soon change!

18-04-2011, 09:10	#7
Rush Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 35	well, about wolfs its no problem here, there are in one part of country but not here.. Yes i know it will soon change about walking near me, but until then im trying to make him understand he does it right this way.. But im also training come all the time..for leave it i just use no..is that not good?

18-04-2011, 09:15	#8
Rush Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 35	so you had your pup leashed all the time until he was obeying come command?and leave it? What was the result after growing?