Database question - who did it?

*Satu · 11-04-2011, 11:24

p.s Only Gonioscopy gives real results of the eye

Mikael · 11-04-2011, 17:55

And maybe you want to add Height at the withers, as you do not have any Bonitations in the US...

I know more info will bee added into the new Wolfdog.org database, but maybe a US one is a good ide anyway, for reasons like the example whit the height...

Very best regards and good luck / Mikael

draggar · 11-04-2011, 20:38

I didn't know there was a PD issue with the vlcaks (and the issue with GSDs is small now) but I'll be sure to add it.

Satu - ? I did a quick Google search and it looks like it's only done on humans?

Mikael - height at the withers, not a bad idea.

I am willing to work with the admins on getting the one here complete so we don't have redundancy. I'd rather have one complete one than several different ones.

saschia · 11-04-2011, 20:50

draggar - just main threads on PD here on wolfdog:

test available - http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10756
dwarves born - http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13387

it is an issue - although not pronounced yet - mostly because the pups either die or are not talked about

draggar · 11-04-2011, 21:12

Thank you for the links - PD in CSV seems the same as in GSD - just a smaller version with other health issues that can be mild to severe. We had a PD scare with our GSD litter last year but we later learned that the sire will throw a small puppy who will look like a PD but then have a growth spirt (in the 3-8 month time frame I think) and the pup will catch up - and that is exactly what he did.

His PD test came back as negative, so he was just a small puppy (but a phenomenal temperament on him - one of the best we've seen in a male for working!). OUr vit did a lot of studying on it at that time, too, since there was the potential that one of her clients would have a PD.

Too bad there are the other health issues, PD pups would make excellent pets.

GalomyOak · 11-04-2011, 21:52

The biggest diffuculty with testing for PD for owners in the US, is that the only lab in the world testing for it is in Holland, and they require fresh blood (not an FTA card). The logistics are...difficult. The University of Missouri is currently collecting blood samples from dwarves and their family (parents, siblings, grandparents) for free, so maybe in the future we can also have a test also.

saschia · 11-04-2011, 21:59

As far as I know you can also send isolated DNA, so for example Laboklin has the test in their offer.

*Satu · 11-04-2011, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by draggar

Satu - ? I did a quick Google search and it looks like it's only done on humans?

No. In Finland vet. eye specialist make this also.
You can be sure my pack is going to the Gonioscopy. Baron have been there in last week.

Fu*k Google ask me

.... Gonioscopy in dogshttp://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=...&aqi=&aql=&oq=

yukidomari · 11-04-2011, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

p.s Only Gonioscopy gives real results of the eye

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a Gonioscopy only detect goniodysgenesis (narrow angles)? Can other eye problems like corneal dystrophy and hypoplasia be detected with a gonioscopy?

Just asking, cause a breed club I know of (of another breed) recommends both CERF and a gonioscopy (breed is predisposed to glaucoma), as it a gonioscopy's results aren't covered by a CERF examination, but neither is all CERF results found by a gonioscopy either.

*Satu · 11-04-2011, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a Gonioscopy only detect goniodysgenesis (narrow angles)? Can other eye problems like corneal dystrophy and hypoplasia be detected with a gonioscopy?

Just asking, cause a breed club I know of (of another breed) recommends both CERF and a gonioscopy (breed is predisposed to glaucoma), as it a gonioscopy's results aren't covered by a CERF examination, but neither is all CERF results found by a gonioscopy either.

I mean ECVO AND Gonioscopy together can tell true.
I wrote this already elsewhere...

yukidomari · 11-04-2011, 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

I mean ECVO AND Gonioscopy together can tell true.
I wrote this already elsewhere...

Sorry, I don't read every thread on the forum. Thanks for the clarification.

draggar · 12-04-2011, 01:15

I'd rather have everything in the database in the beginning so if I do go ahead with this I'll add PD (I'm assuming the results are like DM - N/N, N/a, and a/a?) and gonioscopy. Even if they aren't (easily) available in the USA - it'll probably cost less to have them added in the beginning as opposed to having them added later on.

The largest roadblock I'm having now are with two aspects:

Admins only can modify the health certifications (I don't want people lying, proof is important). IMO this is very important.

Two levels for non-admins, registered (requires approval for all entries, additions, and edits) and approved (does not require admin approval for entires, additions, and edits). This would mainly be for spam control. Known owners would be approved and then spam-bots won't be able to spam the database.

This isn't as important, some scripts have an auto-approve option where if it is turned off the admin needs to approve all additions and changes.

Odd that there hasn't been a peep from the people running the DB here, though.

11-04-2011, 11:24	#1
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	p.s Only Gonioscopy gives real results of the eye __________________ www.csv.fi

11-04-2011, 17:55	#2
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	And maybe you want to add Height at the withers, as you do not have any Bonitations in the US... I know more info will bee added into the new Wolfdog.org database, but maybe a US one is a good ide anyway, for reasons like the example whit the height... Very best regards and good luck / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

11-04-2011, 20:38	#3
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	I didn't know there was a PD issue with the vlcaks (and the issue with GSDs is small now) but I'll be sure to add it. Satu - ? I did a quick Google search and it looks like it's only done on humans? Mikael - height at the withers, not a bad idea. I am willing to work with the admins on getting the one here complete so we don't have redundancy. I'd rather have one complete one than several different ones. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

11-04-2011, 20:50	#4
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	draggar - just main threads on PD here on wolfdog: test available - http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10756 dwarves born - http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13387 it is an issue - although not pronounced yet - mostly because the pups either die or are not talked about __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

11-04-2011, 21:12	#5
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	Thank you for the links - PD in CSV seems the same as in GSD - just a smaller version with other health issues that can be mild to severe. We had a PD scare with our GSD litter last year but we later learned that the sire will throw a small puppy who will look like a PD but then have a growth spirt (in the 3-8 month time frame I think) and the pup will catch up - and that is exactly what he did. His PD test came back as negative, so he was just a small puppy (but a phenomenal temperament on him - one of the best we've seen in a male for working!). OUr vit did a lot of studying on it at that time, too, since there was the potential that one of her clients would have a PD. Too bad there are the other health issues, PD pups would make excellent pets. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

11-04-2011, 21:52	#6
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	The biggest diffuculty with testing for PD for owners in the US, is that the only lab in the world testing for it is in Holland, and they require fresh blood (not an FTA card). The logistics are...difficult. The University of Missouri is currently collecting blood samples from dwarves and their family (parents, siblings, grandparents) for free, so maybe in the future we can also have a test also. __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

11-04-2011, 21:59	#7
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	As far as I know you can also send isolated DNA, so for example Laboklin has the test in their offer. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

12-04-2011, 01:15	#12
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	I'd rather have everything in the database in the beginning so if I do go ahead with this I'll add PD (I'm assuming the results are like DM - N/N, N/a, and a/a?) and gonioscopy. Even if they aren't (easily) available in the USA - it'll probably cost less to have them added in the beginning as opposed to having them added later on. The largest roadblock I'm having now are with two aspects: Admins only can modify the health certifications (I don't want people lying, proof is important). IMO this is very important. Two levels for non-admins, registered (requires approval for all entries, additions, and edits) and approved (does not require admin approval for entires, additions, and edits). This would mainly be for spam control. Known owners would be approved and then spam-bots won't be able to spam the database. This isn't as important, some scripts have an auto-approve option where if it is turned off the admin needs to approve all additions and changes. Odd that there hasn't been a peep from the people running the DB here, though. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors