Typical temperament of CsWs

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Yes, it is true. The problem is to "evaluate" the real character of a dog. Which is shy? Which is just not socialized? Or just has submisive character?
Agressive? Or trained? Or scared and attacking?

. You saw here that some dogs were called "shy", some described as "nice" and "friendly", some as "calm" and some as "hyperactive", some "agressive" and some "stable". You need really a lot to do to find out what is true.... because in many cases what you hear are just ..fairy-tales...

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Now let's take a not trained wolfdog attacked by huge "Schwarzenerger"-decoy. According the bonitation rules our Wolfdog should change to "kamikaze" dog and attack although the dogs knows EXACTLY that he has no chance to win. A dumb dog will do this. Clever dog will avoid confrontation... In the best possible way...

The problem is such dogs are judged according the pattern and called "weak" or even "shy". EVEN if they can be trained into a very good "strong" dogs (if a dog is trained to "win" with Schwarzeneger-decoys such dog will believe very fast in his "power" and will start to attack also frontal. But it must be trained/teached).

What I want to say that in many cases - when we do not take into consideration the real character of this breed we do not select for good Wolfdogs but we made selection to have "not-thinking" "kamikaze dogs"... To have less inteligent dogs as we have at the moment...

I knew we had the same opinion, I totally agree. And that is exactly why I don´t like the Czech bonitation and prefer the Slovakian one. I have seen fear aggressive dogs getting an Of because they attacked in a trained situation they could not escape.

It also is a point of view according to argumentation for defense training. It very often is said that it makes a dog safer because it will only attack the arm. I was defended by my not trained and very thoughtfull dog, she grabbed the butt. Very safe for the dog, very effective and not causing severe damage to the attacker but can be hold for a long time. She defended without hesitation in a situation where I would not have been able to defend myself but would have got bad marks in character test.

Ina

[Rona]

When talking with breeders and owners of pups (or reading some posts on WD ) I sometimes hear that "my dog" or "this litter" has great character/s. Sorry, but it alwyas makes me smile. At what age, in your opinion, guys, should the character of a dog be assessed, so that the evaluation would make sense - say something about a particular dog, and not of its potential? Within my limited experience I'd say - when the dog is at least 2,5 - to three years, but maybe some of you have other views?

I'm not talking about the character as assessed by the "prepared" Czech bonitation character test, because just like Ina - I don't think much of it. , but of the general character of the dog as displayed in everyday life - in the streets, among crowds of people, with visitors, among other dogs at trainings etc. etc.

[woland77]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I knew we had the same opinion, I totally agree. And that is exactly why I don´t like the Czech bonitation and prefer the Slovakian one. I have seen fear aggressive dogs getting an Of because they attacked in a trained situation they could not escape.

I also agree, i also have seen self-defense reaction judge like a Of dog. The problem is the judgment, exprecion of body reveals this, also if the dog is trained for long time.
For me all bonitation, Czech, Slowak, Italian are empty for real select work dog as standard ask. But is better to make bonitation than mating without nothing!

x Margo: I don't agree to think a CZW like a wolf. Is not a wolf, is more smart than a dog, but his behavior is not wolf's behavior, and for me is an error to think this.

We can't think a work dog than make is work based on his instinct or natural reaction. (like your Swarzenegger example) Work dog must believe on his owner and cooperate with him, also when he take some risk.
Not only defense work (is not really work for czw, but a real intrument to see some features of caracter), also, and more much on research and other utility work. Wolf seek a animal, don't seek people on catastrophe, on wood, on mountain. For make this he take risk. His natural instinct and reaction, make him nose urine, track of animal, rummaging in the garbage. This is true for all dogs, not only for Czw because he have wolf ancestor.
Czw have more than a dog, "feel of pack". When you right train a Czw on cooperation mode, his dedication to the purpose of the pack (his work) is maximum, is extraordinary (i talk about research work). Wolf take also some risk for his pack.

Work dog than take a risk to cooperate with owner (his pack), for me is not a dumb dog.