Killing a stereotype.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by draggar

I don't think it is the number of generations that will make a dog less wolfy as opposed to how they are bred. Luna is a lot like a malinois or a working like GSD puppy which, even though bratty and wild looking, she is nothing like the litter of Finnish spitz puppies we had whom were extremely wolf-like in temperament yet that is one of the oldest breeds in existence (almost extinct for a while, too).

Agreed. Reference the tame-fox project that took place in Russia. Selectively breeding for human friendliness and biddability can happen over the course of just a few generations.

Also, feral dogs like dingos (which recently in the news was said to be the oldest creature considered a 'dog' in the world) and New Guinea Singing Dogs can be kept as pets just a few short generations after removal from the wild. The NGSD is also a recognized breed in the UKC and FCI now.

Just a note: I don't think that dogs and foxes are in the same species.. they can't reproduce.. the AKC was just printing another rumor of where people think Chis come from.. I think.. Chis can genetically reproduce with all other dogs and yes, even wolves. A chi-wolf..

ETA: Breed bans.. ugh. That's true, though, Sonia.. Typically here they'll ban pit types, rotties, dobes, akita, great danes.. etc.

Yet if you have a dog similar to, say, an Akita like a Shikoku-ken, apparently you're fine.

[AMERICANI]

Polish Americans will also understand what they are..(although spelled different, the pronuciation isn't really). As Americans we know how big of an issue this can become. We just need to be extremely cautious on who we present our dogs to. I plan on only selling to people with the set intention of working: ie. security contractors, police departments, insurance companies, etc... I don't want every jackass that thinks they need one because it is new & cool to even have a shot at obtaining one through me. ....and 1 or 2 species of foxes (I have heard were capable of crossing with dogs), but the most common have the extra X chromosome...I'm not a geneticist, and thats ass far as I will go with that, but when I was a kid, me and a friend were trying to cross this crazy looking pheasant with a chicken...The eggs began to develop, but something went wrong and they didn't hatch.

[AMERICANI]

HEHEHE, I just looked up dog-fox hybrids on Wikipedia... There are no reported successful breedings. If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true...

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

HEHEHE, I just looked up dog-fox hybrids on Wikipedia... There are no reported successful breedings. If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true...

Obviously!

Anyway, I think it's been said before by Marcy on this thread, but 'wolfdog' according to one source means F5 or later... therefore vlcaks are not a wolf hybrid. It's just sad that there are so many ill intentioned people actually breeding wolf hybrids/wolfdogs without a background of breeding knowledge and lacking a good, solid program resulting in mixes unsuitable for pet keeping, and that 'Vlcak' happens to share their same name. Without tight, controlled breeding to wolves back in the day, Vlcaks could have been a disaster like so many unfortunate other wolfdogs.. (my older sister works in wolfdog rescue).. those dogs often turn out unsuitable for human keeping yet also unsuitable for wild living.

Once I knew through the grapevine one lady breeding 'hybrids'.. what she would do was take her female husky in heat and take her off to the woods where male wolves would get at her some time during the night.

Real responsible, course. Anything could have happened to be her bitch, and with any quality wolf of any temperament. Then she'd turn around and sell those dogs to anyone with money .. F1 crosses that are completely against the law in many, many areas and unsuitable for being a pet. Bad enough to be a backyard breeder.. much less messing with wolves.