way are some kennels added to WD but not some others ???

Lorry - MLS · 09-03-2010, 16:04

Non Elf !!!!
Ce que montre WD n'est pas forcément le strict reflet de la réalité !!!!
Si vous voulez tout savoir, il y a + de 95 erreurs de resencées dans la base de données de WD concernant ma production !!!!

Et Vorss n'a strictement rien à voir avec le fait que l'élevage MLS a été enlevé de la base de données ....

Ininialement le problème de mon élevage, venait d'une FAUSSE rumeur comme quoi aucun de mes chiens n'étaient radiographiés et que je faisais de la reproduction sans vérifier les hanches !!!!

Par ailleurs, je vous invite à réfléchir sur la logique de cette histoire :

I - je vous fais remarquer que si la cause de mon éviction sur la base de données de WD est bel et bien l'origine de Vorss, ça n'explique pas le moins du monde et ne cautionne en rien, le fait que les Administrateurs ou Modérateurs de WD continuent depuis des mois, de venir sur mes Sites pour prendre des photos (sans autorisation) ou des informations, (qui ne les concernent pas) .....

II - Justement étant une trés mauvaise éleveuse française, (Sic !) les Administrateurs ou Modérateurs de WD devraient plutot se désintéresser totalement des mouvements de mon cheptel et concentrer leur attention, sur ceux qui paraissent mériter leur royale attention !!!!

Alors n'impliquez pas le motif de Vorss dans cette histoire, car il n'a rien à y faire !!!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 09-03-2010, 16:50

Can maybe someone translate in English?

Ina

GalomyOak · 09-03-2010, 17:19

[quote=michaelundinaeichhorn;285868]Can maybe someone translate in English?

Ina[/quote]

Part 1:
Solowolf: you'll add our puppies and new owners in your database, but to hide from all who visit in May to search for breeders in the United Kingdom,

Do not imagine for one second that this approach (very petty, I grant you), affects only the English breeders! Even in France, this process is recurring!

They just look for information on breeders' sites, (including births), take pictures (without asking permission) and is fed into the database, while "ejecting" the breeder or leaving the WD trailing in the mud ....

Solowolf: then at least have the decency to withdraw all our dogs from this database

Again you are dreaming! It is interesting to spit on people while using them to develop a database!

Solowolf: you will hide behind his status of directors and crawl under your rock.
Oh Yes! Besides being petty it is not very brave!
The number of times I have publicly asked who was the person who used “free service” from my sites?! I do not even count them! Well.... it's never anyone!

Recently we have just added my 3 dogs that do not even belong to me....But then again, it PERSON!

Oh Yes! I understand!....It's probably a computer bug

Part 2:
No Elf!!
This shows that WD is not necessarily a strict reflection of reality!
If you want to know everything there are 95 + published errors in the database of WD of my breeding!

And Vorss has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that MLS litters/dogs have been removed from the database ....

Initially, the problem for my kennel, was just a false rumor that none of my dogs were x-rayed and I was doing reproduction without checking the hips!

I also invite you to reflect on the logic of this story:

I - I point out that if the cause of my eviction on the basis of data in WD is indeed the origin of Vorss, it does not explain at all and does not endorse in any way, that the Directors or Moderators of WD continue for months to come on my sites to take pictures (without permission) or information (which does not concern them) .....

II - Just being a very bad breeder French (Sic!), the Administrators or Moderators of WD should rather ignore completely the movements of my kennel and focus their attention on those who seem to deserve their royal attention!!

So Vorss is not the reason for this story because he has nothing to do with it!

draggar · 09-03-2010, 17:42

I wonder how much a script like this would cost (I have domains and hosting so that isn't an issue)?

I don't think the pedigree database would be as inclusive as we'd want it to be.

elf · 10-03-2010, 14:07

Quote:

je vous fais remarquer que si la cause de mon éviction sur la base de données de WD est bel et bien l'origine de Vorss

I still did not understand if Vorss is a Saarloos cross from Tha'A-Nook or not ?

Quote:

Ininialement le problème de mon élevage, venait d'une FAUSSE rumeur comme quoi aucun de mes chiens n'étaient radiographiés et que je faisais de la reproduction sans vérifier les hanches !!!!

Well, if you care I guess you can fix this rumor by sending scans to WD, then people would see you did HD examinations. There are more than 2000 verified HD results in the DB so this process, even if not perfect, is some kind of working.

Quote:

Ce que montre WD n'est pas forcément le strict reflet de la réalité !!!!
Si vous voulez tout savoir, il y a + de 95 erreurs de resencées dans la base de données de WD concernant ma production !!!!

There are errors in the database it's true, by reading in your words it seems you don't want to be in the DB anymore, let's be pragmatic it's something you know it won't happend, so: if you care much about it, the only way would be to send PM to Admin with errors listing and be patient for changes.

Lorry - MLS · 10-03-2010, 15:13

elf : Eh bien, si vous vous souciez Je suppose que vous pouvez corriger cette rumeur en envoyant des scans à WD, alors les gens verraient que vous n'avez examens HD. Il ya plus de 2000 résultats vérifiés HD dans le PB, si ce processus, même s'il n'est pas parfait, est une sorte de travail.

Vous parlez sans savoir !!! j'ai fais bien mieux que d'envoyer des scans !

En 2009, en France, lors de la Nationale d'Elevage de ChaLette sur Loing, à laquelle Margo a participé, j'ai pris la peine de lui apporter les ORIGINAUX de toutes mes lectures officielles de dysplasie, afin qu'elle en prenne connaissance visuellement d'elle-même !!!!.
Il y avait pas loin de 20 pages, qu'elle a pris le temps de feuilleter (avec son amie, la juge lithuanienne qui était également à ses côtés) ....

Elle a donc bien vu les résultats officiels et originaux des radios de tout mon cheptel et même parfois des chiens de mes clients, dont je me suis occupée moi-même pour les faire radiographier !!!

Ca n'a strictement rien changé à la situation et la base de données n'a pas été mise à jour pour autant vis à vis de mes propres chiens
(au minimum) !!!!

Par contre, il est étonnant de constater que lorsque je place ou je vends un chien (qui apparait donc, au nom d'une autre personne) le résultat de dysplasie apparait "soudain" sur WD .... (alors que la cotation de dysplasie n'apparait pas, quand ce même chien est encore à mon nom et qu'il est pourtant bel et bien radiographié par mes soins) .....

On pourrait penser à un malheureux hasard, pour un cas isolé....
Mais quand c'est systématique, on peut s'interroger .....

Or, je peux citer au minimum 5 chiens qui ont eu leur cotation de dysplasie soudainement affichée sur WD, du moment qu'ils n'étaient plus à mon nom, (alors que cette cotation n'apparaissait pas, quand ils étaient encore à mon nom)

elf : Il ya des erreurs dans la base, c'est vrai, par la lecture dans vos paroles, il semble que vous ne voulez pas être dans la BD

Vous ne m'avez pas compris !
Je me fiches royalement d'être dans la liste "officielle et bien-pensante" des "SOIT DISANT" bons éleveurs français !
Ce n'est pas celà mon problème !

Mais ce que JE NE VEUX PAS ! CE QUE JE TROUVE INTOLERABLE ! c'est qu'on se serve de mes Sites (sans mon autorisation) pour alimenter cette fichue base de données !!!

C'est également que les personnes qui procèdent ainsi, n'ont même pas le courage de le reconnaitre ouvertement et de sortir de l'ombre et de s'expliquer avec moi

Vous comprenez la nuance ? Ou vous faites exprès de répondre à côté du sujet à chaque fois ?

draggar · 10-03-2010, 16:04

Not to sound rude but Lorry_MLS, are you intending to post here?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8

This is the English subforum for people who speak English. You're responding to posts written in English so it's clear you do understand it (at least can read it).

IMO it's rude to post in a language not intended for the forum expecting the community to understand you (or just not caring if they don't understand you). This is the English subforum, please post in English. If you need to post in French, please post in the French subforum.

GalomyOak · 10-03-2010, 16:16

Translation:

Elf: Well, if you care I guess you can fix this rumor by sending scans to WD, then people would see you did HD examinations. There are more than 2000 verified HD results in the DB so this process, even if not perfect, is some kind of working.

You speak without knowing! I do much better than sending the scans!

In 2009, in France at the National Specialty of Chalette Sur Loing, when Margo was involved, I took the trouble to bring the originals of all my official readings of dysplasia, to see its information visually herself !!!!.
There were close to 20 pages, it took time to leaf through (with her friend, the Lithuanian judge who was also at her side) ....

She then saw the official results and original radios of all my breeding dogs and sometimes even dogs of my clients, which I took myself for an X-ray!

It has done absolutely nothing to change the situation and the database was not updated so far with respect to my own dogs (more)!!

By contrast, it is surprising that when I place or I sell a dog (which therefore appears, on behalf of another person) the result of dysplasia "suddenly" appears on WD .... (although the listing of dysplasia does not appear, when this same dog is still in my name and yet it is actually x-rayed by me) .....

One might think it an unfortunate coincidence for an isolated case ....
But when it is systematic, one might question .....

But I can cite at least 5 dogs that had their rating of dysplasia suddenly displayed on WD, the time they were out of my name (although it did not appear when they were still in my name)

elf: There are errors in the database it's true, by reading in your words it seems you don't want to be in the DB anymore

You misunderstand me!
I fiches royalement (couldn’t figure this part out…GalomyOak) to be in the list "formal and well-meaning" of "so-called" good breeders French!
That is not my problem!

But what I DO NOT WANT (!) - what I find intolerable - is that they would use my websites (without my permission) to feed this damn database!

It is also that the people who do so, do not even have the courage to openly recognize this (themself?) and come out of the shadows and explain to me!

Do you understand the difference? Or do you purposely answer next to the subject every time?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 12-03-2010, 16:06

There is a French Forum and there is the possibility at least for solowolf to write in both languages AND to write his statements also in English.
I don´t mind if someone needs to write here in his own language if it is really neccessary and asks for translation but to have a longer conversation here in another language without need is simply unpolite.

Ina

09-03-2010, 16:04	#1
Lorry - MLS Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 988	Non Elf !!!! Ce que montre WD n'est pas forcément le strict reflet de la réalité !!!! Si vous voulez tout savoir, il y a + de 95 erreurs de resencées dans la base de données de WD concernant ma production !!!! Et Vorss n'a strictement rien à voir avec le fait que l'élevage MLS a été enlevé de la base de données .... Ininialement le problème de mon élevage, venait d'une FAUSSE rumeur comme quoi aucun de mes chiens n'étaient radiographiés et que je faisais de la reproduction sans vérifier les hanches !!!! Par ailleurs, je vous invite à réfléchir sur la logique de cette histoire : I - je vous fais remarquer que si la cause de mon éviction sur la base de données de WD est bel et bien l'origine de Vorss, ça n'explique pas le moins du monde et ne cautionne en rien, le fait que les Administrateurs ou Modérateurs de WD continuent depuis des mois, de venir sur mes Sites pour prendre des photos (sans autorisation) ou des informations, (qui ne les concernent pas) ..... II - Justement étant une trés mauvaise éleveuse française, (Sic !) les Administrateurs ou Modérateurs de WD devraient plutot se désintéresser totalement des mouvements de mon cheptel et concentrer leur attention, sur ceux qui paraissent mériter leur royale attention !!!! Alors n'impliquez pas le motif de Vorss dans cette histoire, car il n'a rien à y faire !!! Last edited by Lorry - MLS; 09-03-2010 at 16:10.

09-03-2010, 17:19	#3
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	[quote=michaelundinaeichhorn;285868]Can maybe someone translate in English? Ina[/quote] Part 1: Solowolf: you'll add our puppies and new owners in your database, but to hide from all who visit in May to search for breeders in the United Kingdom, Do not imagine for one second that this approach (very petty, I grant you), affects only the English breeders! Even in France, this process is recurring! They just look for information on breeders' sites, (including births), take pictures (without asking permission) and is fed into the database, while "ejecting" the breeder or leaving the WD trailing in the mud .... Solowolf: then at least have the decency to withdraw all our dogs from this database Again you are dreaming! It is interesting to spit on people while using them to develop a database! Solowolf: you will hide behind his status of directors and crawl under your rock. Oh Yes! Besides being petty it is not very brave! The number of times I have publicly asked who was the person who used “free service” from my sites?! I do not even count them! Well.... it's never anyone! Recently we have just added my 3 dogs that do not even belong to me....But then again, it PERSON! Oh Yes! I understand!....It's probably a computer bug Part 2: No Elf!! This shows that WD is not necessarily a strict reflection of reality! If you want to know everything there are 95 + published errors in the database of WD of my breeding! And Vorss has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that MLS litters/dogs have been removed from the database .... Initially, the problem for my kennel, was just a false rumor that none of my dogs were x-rayed and I was doing reproduction without checking the hips! I also invite you to reflect on the logic of this story: I - I point out that if the cause of my eviction on the basis of data in WD is indeed the origin of Vorss, it does not explain at all and does not endorse in any way, that the Directors or Moderators of WD continue for months to come on my sites to take pictures (without permission) or information (which does not concern them) ..... II - Just being a very bad breeder French (Sic!), the Administrators or Moderators of WD should rather ignore completely the movements of my kennel and focus their attention on those who seem to deserve their royal attention!! So Vorss is not the reason for this story because he has nothing to do with it! __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com Last edited by GalomyOak; 09-03-2010 at 17:31.

09-03-2010, 17:42	#4
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	I wonder how much a script like this would cost (I have domains and hosting so that isn't an issue)? I don't think the pedigree database would be as inclusive as we'd want it to be. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

10-03-2010, 15:13	#6
Lorry - MLS Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 988	elf : Eh bien, si vous vous souciez Je suppose que vous pouvez corriger cette rumeur en envoyant des scans à WD, alors les gens verraient que vous n'avez examens HD. Il ya plus de 2000 résultats vérifiés HD dans le PB, si ce processus, même s'il n'est pas parfait, est une sorte de travail. Vous parlez sans savoir !!! j'ai fais bien mieux que d'envoyer des scans ! En 2009, en France, lors de la Nationale d'Elevage de ChaLette sur Loing, à laquelle Margo a participé, j'ai pris la peine de lui apporter les ORIGINAUX de toutes mes lectures officielles de dysplasie, afin qu'elle en prenne connaissance visuellement d'elle-même !!!!. Il y avait pas loin de 20 pages, qu'elle a pris le temps de feuilleter (avec son amie, la juge lithuanienne qui était également à ses côtés) .... Elle a donc bien vu les résultats officiels et originaux des radios de tout mon cheptel et même parfois des chiens de mes clients, dont je me suis occupée moi-même pour les faire radiographier !!! Ca n'a strictement rien changé à la situation et la base de données n'a pas été mise à jour pour autant vis à vis de mes propres chiens (au minimum) !!!! Par contre, il est étonnant de constater que lorsque je place ou je vends un chien (qui apparait donc, au nom d'une autre personne) le résultat de dysplasie apparait "soudain" sur WD .... (alors que la cotation de dysplasie n'apparait pas, quand ce même chien est encore à mon nom et qu'il est pourtant bel et bien radiographié par mes soins) ..... On pourrait penser à un malheureux hasard, pour un cas isolé.... Mais quand c'est systématique, on peut s'interroger ..... Or, je peux citer au minimum 5 chiens qui ont eu leur cotation de dysplasie soudainement affichée sur WD, du moment qu'ils n'étaient plus à mon nom, (alors que cette cotation n'apparaissait pas, quand ils étaient encore à mon nom) elf : Il ya des erreurs dans la base, c'est vrai, par la lecture dans vos paroles, il semble que vous ne voulez pas être dans la BD Vous ne m'avez pas compris ! Je me fiches royalement d'être dans la liste "officielle et bien-pensante" des "SOIT DISANT" bons éleveurs français ! Ce n'est pas celà mon problème ! Mais ce que JE NE VEUX PAS ! CE QUE JE TROUVE INTOLERABLE ! c'est qu'on se serve de mes Sites (sans mon autorisation) pour alimenter cette fichue base de données !!! C'est également que les personnes qui procèdent ainsi, n'ont même pas le courage de le reconnaitre ouvertement et de sortir de l'ombre et de s'expliquer avec moi Vous comprenez la nuance ? Ou vous faites exprès de répondre à côté du sujet à chaque fois ? Last edited by Lorry - MLS; 10-03-2010 at 15:31.

10-03-2010, 16:04	#7
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	Not to sound rude but Lorry_MLS, are you intending to post here? http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8 This is the English subforum for people who speak English. You're responding to posts written in English so it's clear you do understand it (at least can read it). IMO it's rude to post in a language not intended for the forum expecting the community to understand you (or just not caring if they don't understand you). This is the English subforum, please post in English. If you need to post in French, please post in the French subforum. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

09-03-2010, 16:50	#2
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Can maybe someone translate in English? Ina

10-03-2010, 16:16	#8
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Translation: *Elf:* Well, if you care I guess you can fix this rumor by sending scans to WD, then people would see you did HD examinations. There are more than 2000 verified HD results in the DB so this process, even if not perfect, is some kind of working. You speak without knowing! I do much better than sending the scans! In 2009, in France at the National Specialty of Chalette Sur Loing, when Margo was involved, I took the trouble to bring the originals of all my official readings of dysplasia, to see its information visually herself !!!!. There were close to 20 pages, it took time to leaf through (with her friend, the Lithuanian judge who was also at her side) .... She then saw the official results and original radios of all my breeding dogs and sometimes even dogs of my clients, which I took myself for an X-ray! It has done absolutely nothing to change the situation and the database was not updated so far with respect to my own dogs (more)!! By contrast, it is surprising that when I place or I sell a dog (which therefore appears, on behalf of another person) the result of dysplasia "suddenly" appears on WD .... (although the listing of dysplasia does not appear, when this same dog is still in my name and yet it is actually x-rayed by me) ..... One might think it an unfortunate coincidence for an isolated case .... But when it is systematic, one might question ..... But I can cite at least 5 dogs that had their rating of dysplasia suddenly displayed on WD, the time they were out of my name (although it did not appear when they were still in my name) elf: *There are errors in the database it's true, by reading in your words it seems you don't want to be in the DB anymore* You misunderstand me! I fiches royalement (couldn’t figure this part out…GalomyOak) to be in the list "formal and well-meaning" of "so-called" good breeders French! That is not my problem! But what I DO NOT WANT (!) - what I find intolerable - is that they would use my websites (without my permission) to feed this damn database! It is also that the people who do so, do not even have the courage to openly recognize this (themself?) and come out of the shadows and explain to me! Do you understand the difference? Or do you purposely answer next to the subject every time? __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

12-03-2010, 16:06	#9
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	There is a French Forum and there is the possibility at least for solowolf to write in both languages AND to write his statements also in English. I don´t mind if someone needs to write here in his own language if it is really neccessary and asks for translation but to have a longer conversation here in another language without need is simply unpolite. Ina