kaya's pups

[wolfin]

congratulation, but Your dog have HD, ED test?

[TipTop]

Gratzzzzz!!!
All d best for all pupies!

[tikaani]

can some one help me, i cant figger out how to add kayas pups to database?

all 9 pups are doing well and are nice and healthy, kaya is doing a great job with them, was worried she might sqash a few but she hasnt

[Rona]

I suppose you should write to Admin, ... but as far as I have noticed he updates the database more or less every 2 months, so it might take a while...

[Mikael]

Tikaani, do you seriously mean that you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

As on your site it say…
"GUS is a pure czechoslovakian wolf dog. he is male and very freindly in nature, a little bit shy…" GUS = Fergus Crying Wolf Birthday: 2008.12.06

/ Mikael
　

[Pavel]

Again one horrible case. nd as I see, Tikaani dont feel anything. She create the forum and is proud, that producing puppies on not adult and not health tested dogs. Am very sad

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Mikael

...you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

It's not an error in the database?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Rona

It's not an error in the database?

That is what I´m trying to ask in post # 10

Best regards / Mikael

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Tikaani, do you seriously mean that you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

As on your site it say…
"GUS is a pure czechoslovakian wolf dog. he is male and very freindly in nature, a little bit shy…" GUS = Fergus Crying Wolf Birthday: 2008.12.06

/ Mikael
　

No, I think Kaya has results: http://offa.org/display.html?appnum=1376866#animal
It is "preliminary" because OFA requires the dog to be 24 months, Kaya was 18 - Mild Unilateral = C hip on one side

The birthdate of Takima's litter has been changed on wolfdog.org recently(I remember, because two of her littermates - Jorja and Raider - are listed as being in the US, so I wrote down the information in my own "USA" records) - it used to say 01.12.2007, same as this Kaya.

Also, there is this thread, the film date is the same as the thread date:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11285

I think the BVA only reads test results for registered breeds in the UK, which is why the films were examined in the US through OFA (there is no registration number - NOREG). I don't know why it says AKC; this is not an AKC number, and this dog is definitely not registered through AKC. Although, I think Wolfzone (or maybe Paul) somehow had official results from the BVA on Kaya's parents - it appears to be the UK scoring scheme in the database results.

[Rona]

Tikkani,
Since there are some unclear issues, could you please sort them out ? It would be great if you wrote how old the parents were, if they were X-rayed and what HD results they obtained.

Don't be surprised that after all the wolfdog.org discussions on unethical CSV breeding in the UK people are a bit distrustful...

I somehow took for granted that you were the kind of person who wanted to do things right, i.e. breed CSV according to certain standards, like reliable breeders in Europe do. I hope I was not mistaken?

[tupacs2legs]

hi
i believe the kc/bva do score csv's now..altough i do not intend to breed i am going to have my boy scored just for the information.

i do not see why the hurry to breed these two dogs

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

congratulation, but Your dog have HD, ED test?

kennel ARIMMINUN.
bitch AMGRA VLEI NADIJE b.o.birth 20/12/1998
first litter born 23/12/1999 BITCH WAS MATED AT 10 MTHS OLD....
THIS BITCH WENT ON TO PRODUCE 70 PUPS,
THIS BITCH HAD ITS LAST LITTER WHEN IT WAS 10.5 YRS OLD
THIS BITCH HAD 10 LITTERS IN ITS BREEDING LIFETIME.
SO BITCH WAS BRED AT 10 MTHS OLD WAS IT HIP SCORED?? TO YOUNG,,


can you find out if this had hd test done before she was mated at 10 mths old,

Originally Posted by Mikael

hmmmmmm... Is this data really right >>> Fergus Crying Wolf, Birthday: 2008.12.06

Regards / Mikael

Mikael i must thank you all for starting this subject it has opened my eyes to what is going on and the abuse of cws bitchs by some breeders in Europe, it is appauling and inhumain to do this to a bitch, passo del lupo and now this kennel the kennel is called ARIMMINUN.

Originally Posted by Pavel

Again one horrible case. nd as I see, Tikaani dont feel anything. She create the forum and is proud, that producing puppies on not adult and not health tested dogs. Am very sad

sad but not uncommon in europe either in uk we are governed as to a code of ethics that a bitch can only have one litter per year, and may only be bred from 1yr old till 7 yrs old so a maximum of 6 litters in life time of bitch, i have already informed FCI of abuse of breeding a bitch, and now find more and more on this data base new find kennel is called ARIMMINUN.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by solowolf

Timber wollf arimminum has sired 94 pups
Cutt- dellifco sortiere has sired 135 pups
Miky passo del lupo has sired 172 pups
we have Uma passo del lupo having 4 litters in 1year and 11 mths she had 8 litters in total before they wore this bitch out,
and poor Amgra vlei nadije at Arimminum kennels bred at 10 mths old had her last litter when she was 10yrs and 6 mths old 10 litters in total before they wore this bitch out. you are not breeders but a discrage to the dog world.

these kennels have all the what we have won over the years at dog shows and we are best kennel,, we have done this and that.
your breeding is doing nothing for the CWS as a breed, and the way both these kennels abuse there bitchs is a disgrace and nothing more than animal cruelty.

You write bad about Sarka and in real she is one of best breeders in CLC. She care for breed much and do lot good things.

If you report really bad kennels start with kennels of your friends. You criticize other but same time you import dogs from Crying wolf kennel who is abusing females and dogs much more than anybody else. And not pay attention to any rules.

-In breeding she makes inbreed on dogs with dysplasia (Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia) - see pedigree of dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/p3573-5.html. 4 grandparents and 3 with dysplasia and high inbreed in dysplasja.
-Covering with dogs with worst results and all people know because of it Crying dogs have much worst results as other dogs
- breeding with dogs with no FCI right for breeding (Hron, AMore, Hitt ).
- she breed with Arys z Oravy and female was almost 10 years old and in very bad condition. My friends see her in Bratislava and say it is shame for breeder to breed with female so old in look and condition. Poor bitch.
- she cover females as often as she can and Mooa z Krotkovského dvora have 2 litters in one year in 2004: litter with P and with M. Rubin Crying Wolf have 2 litter in one year too: in 2007 litter with A and litter with W. Same one year later in 2008: litter with C and litter with H. Poor female have in 2 years 4 litters!!!! Horrible. And you import Histera from such litter so you also support and promote abusing of females by Crying Wolf.
- and for me wors a breeder can do is to breed with dog and to sell old or not needed dogs and Crying wolf is worst one. In Italy we have some dogs saved from Crying Wolf kennel. Now in dogs looking for new home I see more dogs not needed dogs from this kennel: Flota Lupus Bohemia Genao - one litter now is for sale because she is old. Igor - also not more needed. Whipser - one litter I saw on Crying pages now. No puppes born so dog also for sale.
Some breeder do something wrong. I think all breeder can make on mistake. But you play angel for Wolfdogs but you promote worst kennel I even know according abusing of dogs. Kennel with NO ethics. If you write to FCI start with this one.

[jasmine]

Dear Lupis ,

If you see my page, you could see many retaired , old and castrated dogs in my kennel and they are not looking for new home...soooo...maybe there is another reason why Flota needs new home.
Whisper : he hasn't got litters and even I not planned.....and if you would be so more conversant with him, you surely know that I had to buy him back from his owner............
Please write me the name of the dogs which were saved from me to Italy!!!!!!!!!!!
And pour Arys was Veteren World Winner and Best Veteran in Bratislava WDS, she is in excelent condition!!!!

My dogs are not more accused HD than others (especial to see that we are working from the same sources), I give health and breeding quarantee for my pups!
And if you write something please write facts and not lies , according to FCI rules : A,B and C results makes you able to breed, and don't forget that Enzo is HD/A.
And don't forget that many italian dogs has got the same lines : Fehérlófia Dalos Duna and Fehérlófia Dinom Dánom!

Those, who know me and my dogs, those know that my dogs are in excelent condition, and I realy don't need to see bonitacion code to decided the quality of the dog.
Son of Hitt , Emir was Young World Winner, Enzo 2nd place...and Hitt has breeding licence, Amore Mio is World Winner and has breeding licence. Are they bad dogs????
hmmm you have very strange taste and your CSW breeder friends are simple jelous!!!!!

[hanninadina]

Lupis, you seem to know a lot of csws. But sometimes people are not able to handle and care right for csw. So they start talking gossip. The life shows that it is always better to make an own picture of what you want to talk about. How could a dog be veteran world winner and your friends told you that Ayrs was in bad condition. The judges were the probably best speciality judges the breed has. So I can only say your friends do know nothing about csw breed!

I know some of Edits dogs, I know the place where she lives with her dogs and I have Myla Crying wolf. And Edit lives and dies for her dogs. She breeds csw with real character! She breeds wolfish looking csws.

Christian with pack

[Rona]

Lupis is not my friend, I don't know Edit and nor am I jeleous, neither own a CW dog, but the info about double litters in one year seems to be true, at least according to WD database. Or maybe the base's lying?

If not, is it correct/legal to breed on a bitch every few months in Hungary? How was it feasible to register four litters of the same bitch in just two years?

Please take no offence, Edit, I'm not criticizing your dogs, their condition or health, only asking and hope you had your (good?) reasons to do so.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by jasmine

If you see my page, you could see many retaired , old and castrated dogs in my kennel and they are not looking for new home...soooo...maybe there is another reason why Flota needs new home.
Whisper : he hasn't got litters and even I not planned.....and if you would be so more conversant with him, you surely know that I had to buy him back from his owner............
Please write me the name of the dogs which were saved from me to Italy!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not very much old history. Still many people complain that you cheated them and you are not honest breeder. You say you close your kennel and need help with finding homes for your dogs. To Italy we get Forest, Laguna and Lunatica - maybe more but i know history only of three dogs. People were helping you but when you put off unneed dogs you start to produce puppies again... Here you have proof - hope you understand it
http://www.canelupocecoslovacco-adoz...lc/laguna.html

I do not say goosips because i have my mind. But some people say thing open with not hiding it and breeders are not lieying.

Originally Posted by jasmine

And pour Arys was Veteren World Winner and Best Veteran in Bratislava WDS, she is in excelent condition!!!!

Because she was the most old dog in look and only old female in this class. She was like a veteran between much young dogs. But Amy, Askia, Jolly and Poly as same age. Just much much young in look and much much better condition. ANd not look like real veteran. Is opinion not of my friends but many more people that arys was not best one but most poor and old in look in this class.

Originally Posted by jasmine

And if you write something please write facts and not lies , according to FCI rules : A,B and C results makes you able to breed, and don't forget that Enzo is HD/A.

You say you have skills. You skills tell you it is good to inbreed on dysplasia dog? Very much inbreed? Beginner know it is not heathy and very much dangerous. Enzo is HD/a but in his blood you have much dysplasia genetics.

Originally Posted by jasmine

And don't forget that many italian dogs has got the same lines : Fehérlófia Dalos Duna and Fehérlófia Dinom Dánom!

And people say that because of it some lines here also have problems with dysplasia. But breeder in my country not make inbreed on dysplasia dogs like you. They try to make hips better.

[quote=jasmine;281651]Son of Hitt , Emir was Young World Winner, Enzo 2nd place...and Hitt has breeding licence, Amore Mio is World Winner and has breeding licence. Are they bad dogs????[quote]

I not say about dogs but about rules. In Italy we have many nice dogs with no pedigrees. IF dog have no pedigree it can be good too.
But i say that hitt, Amore and Hrin have no FCI breeding right. No bonitation when you use them. Now Amore and hitt has but you broken FCI rules. Hron is still not for breeding.
It is not jalous but i show solwoolf you are master of cheating. Not Sarka.

[jasmine]

Hello Rona,

We could make 3 litters in 2 years.
I had to ask special request to my litter was born 28.02.2008. The local vet examined Rubin and the circumstances and wrote report. As everything was ok, Rubin and the pups were in good condition I had got the right to get pedigree for the pups.
(If you see there is almost a year inbetween the pups born 28.02.2008 and 10.12. 2008 )
Rubin first two litter was from Ali, who was old (sorry is old, as thanks for God, he is still alive ) and had holiday in my kennel and the reason why I made two litter after him and quite short term is that I want this bloodline to combine with my dogs and unfortunately my other female (Demon) was empty after him. Rubin's second litter were just two pups, so you could imagine, it was nothing for her.
Normaly my females are in heat 1 time a year and have pups 1 times a year and just those which are in breeding condition or I have breeding plan.
When I plan a litter with my females I always see the condition and the health status of my females, Arys was checked before the mateing, make test for her kindey and liver function and ultrasonic about her utherus, she was checked every week during the pregnancy by my vet.
This year I had a lot of request for pups from Flash...but her condition is not breeding condition anymore, moreover she had problem during the whealping with her last litter. So it was no question that she won't have puppies anymore!!!!!
Such as I have castrated females as they are out of breeding(Hannah E.S, Briza C.W)......and Dorka and Mona was castrated as well as they came out of breeding and stayed with us.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by lupis

You write bad about Sarka and in real she is one of best breeders in CLC. She care for breed much and do lot good things.

If you report really bad kennels start with kennels of your friends. You criticize other but same time you import dogs from Crying wolf kennel who is abusing females and dogs much more than anybody else. And not pay attention to any rules.

-In breeding she makes inbreed on dogs with dysplasia (Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia) - see pedigree of dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/p3573-5.html. 4 grandparents and 3 with dysplasia and high inbreed in dysplasja.
-Covering with dogs with worst results and all people know because of it Crying dogs have much worst results as other dogs
- breeding with dogs with no FCI right for breeding (Hron, AMore, Hitt ).
- she breed with Arys z Oravy and female was almost 10 years old and in very bad condition. My friends see her in Bratislava and say it is shame for breeder to breed with female so old in look and condition. Poor bitch.
- she cover females as often as she can and Mooa z Krotkovského dvora have 2 litters in one year in 2004: litter with P and with M. Rubin Crying Wolf have 2 litter in one year too: in 2007 litter with A and litter with W. Same one year later in 2008: litter with C and litter with H. Poor female have in 2 years 4 litters!!!! Horrible. And you import Histera from such litter so you also support and promote abusing of females by Crying Wolf.
- and for me wors a breeder can do is to breed with dog and to sell old or not needed dogs and Crying wolf is worst one. In Italy we have some dogs saved from Crying Wolf kennel. Now in dogs looking for new home I see more dogs not needed dogs from this kennel: Flota Lupus Bohemia Genao - one litter now is for sale because she is old. Igor - also not more needed. Whipser - one litter I saw on Crying pages now. No puppes born so dog also for sale.
Some breeder do something wrong. I think all breeder can make on mistake. But you play angel for Wolfdogs but you promote worst kennel I even know according abusing of dogs. Kennel with NO ethics. If you write to FCI start with this one.

i have purchased dogs from crying wolf but never visited the kennels, it was a friend who sent me info on Italain kennels and they are going through every breeder now checking for this type of abusive breeding and i can assure you no one will be missed out and all reported to the FCI, at present i am to busy to do anything but my friends will do anything that needs done and send reports to FCI and the authorities, regards pacino

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by lupis

You write bad about Sarka and in real she is one of best breeders in CLC. She care for breed much and do lot good things.

If you report really bad kennels start with kennels of your friends. You criticize other but same time you import dogs from Crying wolf kennel who is abusing females and dogs much more than anybody else. And not pay attention to any rules.

-In breeding she makes inbreed on dogs with dysplasia (Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia) - see pedigree of dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/p3573-5.html. 4 grandparents and 3 with dysplasia and high inbreed in dysplasja.
-Covering with dogs with worst results and all people know because of it Crying dogs have much worst results as other dogs
- breeding with dogs with no FCI right for breeding (Hron, AMore, Hitt ).
- she breed with Arys z Oravy and female was almost 10 years old and in very bad condition. My friends see her in Bratislava and say it is shame for breeder to breed with female so old in look and condition. Poor bitch.
- she cover females as often as she can and Mooa z Krotkovského dvora have 2 litters in one year in 2004: litter with P and with M. Rubin Crying Wolf have 2 litter in one year too: in 2007 litter with A and litter with W. Same one year later in 2008: litter with C and litter with H. Poor female have in 2 years 4 litters!!!! Horrible. And you import Histera from such litter so you also support and promote abusing of females by Crying Wolf.
- and for me wors a breeder can do is to breed with dog and to sell old or not needed dogs and Crying wolf is worst one. In Italy we have some dogs saved from Crying Wolf kennel. Now in dogs looking for new home I see more dogs not needed dogs from this kennel: Flota Lupus Bohemia Genao - one litter now is for sale because she is old. Igor - also not more needed. Whipser - one litter I saw on Crying pages now. No puppes born so dog also for sale.
Some breeder do something wrong. I think all breeder can make on mistake. But you play angel for Wolfdogs but you promote worst kennel I even know according abusing of dogs. Kennel with NO ethics. If you write to FCI start with this one.

p.s. if you already know information why did you not report such things to FCI??/