Lupus Ibericus Kennel (Spain)

[Jal]

Sorry....

Сообщение от carlos2207

.......Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:
1. Socializacion.All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel..

really??

very serious...

[wildwolf]

Сообщение от Jal

Sorry....

really??

very serious...

All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human.

...very very serious...

[Nebulosa]

Сообщение от Carlos

Second, Nebulosa say that I pick the puppies Ill

God, where I said it?
Well, I can see clearly that you don't understand english properly, I tough about this small problem when I asked why don't pass this topic for Spanish forum, it would e really better.

Сообщение от Carlos

Anyware, I SAID FRANK AND DANIELA (OWNER OF AMORE) AND EDIT (CRYING WOLF) THAT I REPEAT THIS LITTER THE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL GIVE A FREE FEMALE FOR FRANK.

Well, after I read all here I ended to proof how you know about CzW
Again, do you know what does mean small genetic pool?

But anyway I get a little bit shoked after I read your post, I knew you dont have experience with dogs, but I didn't knew you would arrive at such point...
Could you imagine someone listening Mozard whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!
But drive with neonates, its completly crazy, its a nonsense!!
Sorry carlos, but before make your next litter go read a little bit about dog behaviour, genetic, and principally try to get informed about the breed, please, don't torture and risk the life of your pups again!!

Сообщение от Carlos222

How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

Oh, about that.
Do you mean Héro Oskar Dór, a dog wich get C with 100º and 98º degree in norberg angles as worst result, had his hips evaluate for at least 3 vets in 2 different countries?
Well, these 3 vets, well known experts said he is C and he can be used in breeding with A females.
As jezebeth is A with 105º/105º in norberg angles, with both parents A, and with almost all brothers and sisters tested and A, I really can mate Oskar with her without fear of be happy.
Anyway, all owners of my dogs have copies of the results of the parents, I really have nothing to hide.
I'm really glad that was only this excuse you found for try to attack me, but not only you as more people which aren't able to reply my questions, funny isn't it?
But I would like to remember you, that you're not breeding Labrador or Rottweilers, which clubs of some countries were able to avoid the use of C dogs, but of CzW that have a very small genetic pool and that the use of C dogs is pretty common, when used with properly females, can also improve the breed.
As you criticise it so much, I would like to remember you also, that Askia Slnecny dvor have as father a C dog that the mother of Emba comes from both parents with B, I wonder little bit about it because as you wrote here, seems you only accept A dogs at breeding.

But after all this post you didn't replied my question, I will quote it again, but after all the nonsense I read about pups here I dont wait for a good reply anymore.

Сообщение от Nebulosa

I listened that he paid half as its in the contract of co-ownership, so if was that I dont understand where is the problem? Why did you wanted him to pay the other part?
but I would like to add more one, do you find correct try to pick back a ill pup, causing more one abrupt change in his life which can rise his death risk?

[Rona]

Сообщение от Nebulosa

Could you imagine someone listening Mozart whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!

Paula, I can assure you that hard rock or techno would be much worse...

Do you really belive in all Carlos writes? People who are (or imagine they are) in a tight corner sometimes talk and write nonsense... I'm sure he wouldn't torture his pups like this and only now is defending himself by exaggerating his efforts....

[Silvester]

Well, here´s owner of "Zeus L.I." again.

I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter??

You - and everybody here - knows exactly about that father is the overall World Champion of Bratislava last year and mother also is excellent , with "Eligo z Peronowki" as father, which is one of the best wolfdogs also.

And you know that both parents , Amore Mio and Emba have best possible hip- resultat . "A" for both hips each dog.

What about your own dogs - and their resultats for hip- examination ??

"jasmine" was completely right with her posting No.41.

And these are facts - and not only meanings.

"Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !"

As a moderator you should act neutral and justice. You obviously did not after your posting No.14 .

Nice week to everyone from Germany

[Vaiva]

Сообщение от Nebulosa

Could you imagine someone listening Mozard whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!

One of the most sensible points in this discussion!

The more I read the more I do not like the both sides I understand the owner wanted a dog from Eligo, so he could simply contact Margo and ask about the planned litters of him. I am sure such a popular stud has some ladies waiting If you do not like the breeder or te conditions - find another one.

The breeder says he wasn't paid, but the signed contract exists, yes? Both - owner and breeder - have a signed copy, correct? So what really happened?

(Ahh, I like detective stories, it is a pitty it is a working day )

[Erwan Grey]

Сообщение от Vaiva

One of the most sensible points in this discussion!

The more I read the more I do not like the both sides I understand the owner wanted a dog from Eligo, so he could simply contact Margo and ask about the planned litters of him. I am sure such a popular stud has some ladies waiting If you do not like the breeder or te conditions - find another one.

The breeder says he wasn't paid, but the signed contract exists, yes? Both - owner and breeder - have a signed copy, correct? So what really happened?

(Ahh, I like detective stories, it is a pitty it is a working day )

Yes!!! I have the contract signed and paid!!

So what really happened?

Certain!!

[Nebulosa]

Сообщение от jasmine

Ahhhhh 98 degree and C ???????
Strange.....what were the 3 countries? Because 100/98 must be C/D in everywhere!!!!!!!

D is about 95º including in hungary, but the difference is that in your country a 96º dog still will be C, maybe it explaines why we get such bad results when works with some dogs coming of your breeding or used by you.
His HD where evaluate by 3 vets in different countries, Brazil and Poland, maybe I should send it to Uruguay for Margarita Duran for get the same or even better results and nobody be able to contest it.
I would like to remind you, great expert, that the results are not only gave by norberg angles, but also looking the situation of the cartilage wich reflects clearly in the bones.

Сообщение от Silvester

I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter??

Oh yes, I forget, everything coming from your dog is perfect, your dog and Carlos dogs are perfect also, we live in flower world.. why do we continue breeding, if we have Carlos and his litter with perfect dogs?
Where is the lie? what I told here is fakt, Askia comes from C father and both parents of Emba's mother are B, she is A as Askia is A, its called selection, and its made in hips also.
I hope you know also that have both parents A doesn't garantee that you will get A pups, including it was the case of Oskar and of some other dogs.

Сообщение от Silvester

"Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !"

I really hope Jasmine will listen to it, because its really not my case in the moment, maybe futurely, we never know.

Сообщение от Rona

I'm sure he wouldn't torture his pups like this and only now is defending himself by exaggerating his efforts..

You see, the conclusion I arrive is that the main problem is not the pups with Mozart, but the mother wich listen everything clearly.
I really hope he is exagerating.

[Silvester]

Сообщение от Nebulosa

"Oh yes, I forget, everything coming from your dog is perfect, your dog and Carlos dogs are perfect also, we live in flower world.. why do we continue breeding, if we have Carlos and his litter with perfect dogs?

Well, if you have nothing more to say IN FACTS than this cheapest and stupid polemic you really better should keep quiet and tell nothing !

The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed, not only by hip- results but also by very low incest - quotient ...not to talk from other advantages more.

I have looked for more than one year now for such kind of mating...and not only in this homepage.

But I have never said such stupid things like "perfection". This is only polemic of "Nebulosa", the Great.( polemic also as answer !!)

May be the status and the duties of a moderator are a little too much for you ?

Good night to everyone !

[wolfin]

Сообщение от Silvester

The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed, not only by hip- results but also by very low incest - quotient ...not to talk from other advantages more.

You think...??? In this case You not very know about breeding.
Carlos have moore interesing mate variant like Amore but....

[Nebulosa]

Сообщение от Silvester

The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed,

Its a very common ill well know in dog breeding, called "kennel blind", I few sorry for you.
Maybe you should look at the pedigree of your own dog before talk about facts.

[carlos2207]

Pleased, all people that see my kennel and say the true, owner and more people, Not lose your time in this foro. You have said that you have seen. Ok, the people have suficient information. NOT play at play of this people.

Thank you very much at all. I will not writte more in this foro.

PD. If any one have any question pleased contact with my veterinary. He know my kennel, the puppies and now know the hobby of Julito for the lie.
Congratulations for the objetivity of Administrador Nebulosa.

[Erwan Grey]

Сообщение от carlos2207

Pleased, all people that see my kennel and say the true, owner and more people, Not lose your time in this foro. You have said that you have seen. Ok, the people have suficient information. NOT play at play of this people.

Thank you very much at all. I will not writte more in this foro.

PD. If any one have any question pleased contact with my veterinary. He know my kennel, the puppies and now know the hobby of Julito for the lie.
Congratulations for the objetivity of Administrador Nebulosa.

You insist that this is a GAME?

... For my game I do not think the health of my puppy

I do not think a game that does not explain what happened today with your veterinarian when I called him and has refused to say anything about the pictures so that you DEFENDANT

I do not think a game that you cash for 2 times a puppy and threatened to return it to its kennel

I do not think a game that I want to deliver documents to the change in direction of the microchip

I do not think a game that did not raise it with the seriousness and ethics that should a breeder of PLC

I do not think a game that delivers the dogs with only one vaccine and besides you do after being sick with bloody diarrhea

IS A GAME?

And you stop writing in this forum because they are realizing that they are wrong and what you and your friends will only want to save the information and avoid the problem.

And though you do not write I'll keep at it until they solve this whole problem with zacarias (Blizzard).