Norwegian ban on SW and CzW

Rona · 26-12-2009, 18:48

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

I just have to comment that gladly many people on the Polish forum were more objective and they helped me with giving links to SW breeders homepages and supported my idea of getting a SW. I write this just so the debatants who dont understand polish and cant read the polish forum, dont think that you represent all the people from the polish forum.

I suppose some Polish forum members were simply relieved you gave up the idea of buying a CSV, which are illegal in Norway

They probably don't read English forum, don't realize the specific and sensitive situation of SW in Norway and the possible harm people like you may do to both breeds through their irresponsible "actions".

On reading your answer I see talking with you is useless. Bye

Per Olav · 26-12-2009, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Rona

On reading your answer I see talking with you is useless. Bye

I'm making your words mine. Bye.
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XaedasKSP · 26-12-2009, 20:08

Quote: "And I regret you violating the efforts of many good people" End of Quote

So because I will get a SW then you think that I will violate the efforts of many good people. So if 11 + other anonymous people will get a SW from the Norwegian breeder and later on many more it will be absolutely ok, but mine SW will violate all the efforts.....well I think its a strange way of thinking but I cant help it if you think so then you are allowed to do so.

But the future can prove it wrong after I will have my SW for a long period of time without anything getting "violated"......

Per Olav · 26-12-2009, 20:27

It should be wise to sit on my fingers

This is not about you - I don't know you and neither do the other members of this forum. Our concern is about anyone who may jeopardize the time consuming work of changing the law. 11+ more or less ignorant owners, no matter the dogs origin mean 11+ more chances of ending the story of the Saarloos Wolfhound in Norway. Because the breed is defined as a - not even a possible but a de facto - dangerous breed, there's no pardon for wolfdogs showing bad behaviour. And dogs do behave... what is considered bad is not up to the owner to decide. Someone may provoke the dog or treat it badly and by that getting the oportunity of accusing it for bad behavior. Even a minor accident which would be considered harmless if carried out by any other dog would do. Which may be fatal not only to the wolfdog itself - but to the future of a breed which by law is reputed dangerous. Not because of its doing but by heritage. It is a simple as that. The law do warn that any accident caused by a SW may lead to reconsidering the legal right of keeping the breed in this country. In my opinnion this should be clearly understood and kept in mind by anyone long before even thinking of purchasing a SW. Have you made the necessary preparations and are you and the 11+ ready for the responsibility?
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XaedasKSP · 27-12-2009, 07:40

Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters.

I think that many people who are going to buy a SW will join as long as you dont charge the tripple or higher price for the pup course than on other courses for pups. And we will also travel to your place. So this could be an idea of doing something good for the wolfdogs in Norway. The breeder in Trondheim is not planning something like that but maybe you could to help both the new owners and the whole breed to avoid any accidents. And I promise if you will make something like that there will be many new SW owners with their pups who will attend this pup training course. Maybe it will work better if the course will be in like a week and everyone can book a hotel for that week and attend with the pup instead of something like coming once a week. I dunno if its a good idea but maybe it could work.

Per Olav · 27-12-2009, 10:01

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters.

Believe me, I have no intention beeing heroic in that way

Raising a by nature skittish and far from easy trainable breed as the sw is not learned by attending a puppy course, it's a life long challenge and living in your country it certainly may be a complex one. Wishing you and the 11+ the very best. Good luck.

Grin · 26-12-2009, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Rona

I suppose some Polish forum members were simply relieved you gave up the idea of buying a CSV, which are illegal in Norway

Yes, that (I think) is exactly the case.

26-12-2009, 20:27	#4
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	It should be wise to sit on my fingers This is not about you - I don't know you and neither do the other members of this forum. Our concern is about anyone who may jeopardize the time consuming work of changing the law. 11+ more or less ignorant owners, no matter the dogs origin mean 11+ more chances of ending the story of the Saarloos Wolfhound in Norway. Because the breed is defined as a - not even a possible but a de facto - dangerous breed, there's no pardon for wolfdogs showing bad behaviour. And dogs do behave... what is considered bad is not up to the owner to decide. Someone may provoke the dog or treat it badly and by that getting the oportunity of accusing it for bad behavior. Even a minor accident which would be considered harmless if carried out by any other dog would do. Which may be fatal not only to the wolfdog itself - but to the future of a breed which by law is reputed dangerous. Not because of its doing but by heritage. It is a simple as that. The law do warn that any accident caused by a SW may lead to reconsidering the legal right of keeping the breed in this country. In my opinnion this should be clearly understood and kept in mind by anyone long before even thinking of purchasing a SW. Have you made the necessary preparations and are you and the 11+ ready for the responsibility? -- po Last edited by Per Olav; 27-12-2009 at 09:31.

26-12-2009, 20:08	#3
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Quote: "And I regret you violating the efforts of many good people" End of Quote So because I will get a SW then you think that I will violate the efforts of many good people. So if 11 + other anonymous people will get a SW from the Norwegian breeder and later on many more it will be absolutely ok, but mine SW will violate all the efforts.....well I think its a strange way of thinking but I cant help it if you think so then you are allowed to do so. But the future can prove it wrong after I will have my SW for a long period of time without anything getting "violated"......

27-12-2009, 07:40	#5
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters. I think that many people who are going to buy a SW will join as long as you dont charge the tripple or higher price for the pup course than on other courses for pups. And we will also travel to your place. So this could be an idea of doing something good for the wolfdogs in Norway. The breeder in Trondheim is not planning something like that but maybe you could to help both the new owners and the whole breed to avoid any accidents. And I promise if you will make something like that there will be many new SW owners with their pups who will attend this pup training course. Maybe it will work better if the course will be in like a week and everyone can book a hotel for that week and attend with the pup instead of something like coming once a week. I dunno if its a good idea but maybe it could work.