Pituitary Dwarfism test for CsW is available!

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

How many dogs has been tested this far and can one say anything yet about how common the Dwarf gene is on the CsV breed ???

Take a look here : http://www.wolfdog-healthinfo.org/pageID_7976969.html

I guess the results of my dogs will be uploaded as soon as Mijke have time

Greetings Rolf

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

Take a look here : http://www.wolfdog-healthinfo.org/pageID_7976969.html

I guess the results of my dogs will be uploaded as soon as Mijke have time

Greetings Rolf

Thanks

Best regards / Mikael

[mijke]

Thanks Rolf!
The test results of your dogs will be visible at the Wolfdog health site at the end of this week

Beside your dogs were also 11 in Holland registered CsW’s tested. This owners did use the blood sample form of the Dutch CsW club.
And on this form is that the results will be send to the secretariat of the club for publishing.
So I did wait a while for these results of the club, but till today I did not receive anything

I also did hear of the university that several people did not agree with publishing the info of the test results!
So the info was only send to the owners.

So the tests of these owners are worthless for the CsW breed!!
It is very, very sad and stupid, that there are owners who are making (expensive tests) and keep the results secret.

I hope in future the dwarfism test will be accepted and obligated by kennel organisations. So the results of this test will come, just like HD results, on the pedigree of offspring!

[Nebulosa]

I saw the "actualization" at the nederland forum that we have already 30 dgs tested with the results published.
The results are very interessing for the breeders and I'm sure some people want to test his dogs for this, but the main problem seems to be... the price is too high for some people.
So I was wondering about, if we get one ammount of owners (upper than the actual number of tested dogs) willing to make this test in his dogs, would have the possibility of the university turn the price of the test lower?

[jmvdwiel]

maybe they are willing to make a discount when you can give them 50 or more samples at one time?

Maybe Mijke can ask them, she is the one with the connections

But what do you think about the fact that there are 6 of the 30 dogs carriers of this gen?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

maybe they are willing to make a discount when you can give them 50 or more samples at one time?

Maybe Mijke can ask them, she is the one with the connections

But what do you think about the fact that there are 6 of the 30 dogs carriers of this gen?

Was exactly the results which makes me worrie about the breed situation for this disease and ask about one possible discount.
I found the number of carriers too high for so few dogs tested, in a breed with small genetic pool like CzW its can means more serious problems than we tought.

[mijke]

There were 30 CsW’s tested for Pituitary Dwarfism.
Of these 30 CsW’s were 6 carriers of the mutated gen.

On the site wolfdog-healthinfo.org you can find the test results. Click HERE

Because 1/5 of the tested dogs was carrier, it is very useful to test more CsW’s!
Only then we can see how this disease is spread in the population

And it is entirely useful for breeders to test for breeding!
And especial when you want to breed with offspring, brother/ sisters, parents and ancestors of carriers of dwarfism gen.

But even when a male or female is carrier, it is no problem to breed with them!

Not any carrier has to excluded for breeding!

Only don’t make combinations of carrier x carrier!

On top of this topic you can find how an owner can test a CsW for Pituitary Dwarfism.
And you also can find there a link for the blood sample form.

[mijke]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

but the main problem seems to be... the price is too high for some people.
So I was wondering about, if we get one ammount of owners (upper than the actual number of tested dogs) willing to make this test in his dogs, would have the possibility of the university turn the price of the test lower?

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

maybe they are willing to make a discount when you can give them 50 or more samples at one time?
Maybe Mijke can ask them, she is the one with the connections

I agree it is a high price to test a dog for this disease.

And of course I am willing to try to get discount when we are able to send 50 blood samples in one time.
But I doubt if it is really possible to send such an amount of samples in one time!

Maybe it is only possible when we collect blood on a event like World dog show
And I am willing to come over with a vet on such an event and take the blood samples for free! (owners then only have to pay for the test of the university)

And till that time I only can hope that more owners realize it is important to test their CsW.
A lot of owners are still thinking pituitary dwarfism is not a big issue in this breed, they don’t test.

But when 1/5 of the 30 tested dogs from different combinations/lines are carrier , it is probably a big issue in a breed.

And when a breeder counts €25 more for each pup they sell, with one litter they can earn the costs of a pituitary dwarfism test

[mijke]

I feel very sad that in other forum topics people make sometimes accusations and blame each other for health problems.

Because it has been never good for any breed when people did make accusations to breeders about health problems. It is really the most silly thing people can do!

Please realize we don't have a perfect breed! Not any breeder wants to have health problems in his/her lines, but realize we all 'll have in this relative small gene pool ! (small or big, known or still hidden)

And only when we work together , we can work on health problems in a breed.

And for pituitary dwarfism it is really simple: not any dog has to be out of breeding program (not any carrier is a danger for the breed!), only don't make combinations carrier x carrier.

And please don't make anymore a secret of the health problems in our breed!
Only when we can share the info like HD results, eye results and so on we can improve the breed!

In the past no one did hear, or did not know, or did not want to speak about dwarfism. even sometimes it was denied. But after that I did make this more public, more and more info was received from several countries. (even dwarf photo's with names)

And now we have 30 honest owners who did make the official test and did publish the results! (only by DNA blood test we can be sure that it is really pituitary dwarfism.)

I am very grateful this people did want to do the best for the breed and did want to share the info with us!

And I hope there will follow more people and countries who want test and honest share the test results

Blood Test:
A form blood sample is Here to download as pdf file

About price for the test:
I realize it is a high price for everyone!
I often receive the comment that it is a to high for people in east European countries. And I can imagine that is problem for normal owners.
But most of the breeders in east Europe are asking the same prices like West Europe around € 1000 (and that is a lot more then I did ever ask for a pup of any breed!)
But as I did write before when a breeder counts €25 more for each pup they sell, with one litter they can earn the costs of a pituitary dwarfism test

About dwarfs:
Every born dwarf needs medication (special grow hormone and thyrax) to provide awful suffering. It is very hard to get the special grow hormone. People who have a dwarf can contact me in private to speak about possible solutions. [email protected]

When a dwarf is under control by specialists and will get medicines they can grow up like this:

Lilo 18 months, 18 kg and 52 cm.

My requests:

• Please test your CsW
• And please contact me when you think about euthanizing your dwarf (I can give you more info in private)

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by mijke

Maybe it is only possible when we collect blood on a event like World dog show
And I am willing to come over with a vet on such an event and take the blood samples for free! (owners then only have to pay for the test of the university)

let us can consider that at the world dog show in Paris?

also, it would be necessary which you would be on the maximum of anybody wishes to do it, but I think, he can be possible on each forum of wolfdog.org to envisage that.

that will allow to advance a maximum for the tests of the nanism and DM...