Cost to Buy and Import

[Wolfsirius]

maybe you are right in some things you wrote.
but i do not believe, that example in england breeders use more time and money for their dogs, than other people, comparing the prices. and, for me does not matter what breeders ask from their puppies, you can always ask what you want, and those who pay, they will pay, those who think is too high/or low, go to some other breeder, IF IT IS BECAUSE OF MONEY. Personally i do not look about the price of pup, but other things. There had been also puppies offered for free to me, but i was not interested.

Years ago i could get fila brasileiro very cheap easily out from finland, but i bought my fila from finland, and it was 2 or 3 times higher price than ex. in CZ. But i am very happy with my choice. So price should not be the main thing, as choosing a pup. Even, pup must have reasonable price.

-Suski

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

you can always ask what you want, and those who pay, they will pay, those who think is too high/or low, go to some other breeder, IF IT IS BECAUSE OF MONEY

No - it is not about money. But I don't think ANYONE want to pay more and getting less than by any other breeders...
As I told - prices base on NOTHING. They are just invention of the breeders. And the posts above are the best example... The average breeder from UK or Finland (basing on the show results, working results and matings) spent less money than average breeder for example from Germany... So I really do not see any reason why the prices are 2x times higher. I will not believe living in Germany (the living standards) are 2x worser in Germany than in UK... or Finland...

So shorty:

YES. Every breeder can ask their own price. He/she do not need ANY reason to ask even 5000 EUR for a puppy.

NO. The prices have (should have) nothing to do with country and there is no explanation that "western" puppies MUST be more expensive that "western" puppies.. There are breeders in "cheaper" countries spending a lot of money for their dogs. And there are breeders in "Western" countries which spent nothing.

YES. The puppy buyers decide what they want and which breeders they will choose... It is their choise if they want to buy "no-name" and sometimes even no-pedigree puppy for 2000 EUR or they will buy "champion-offspring" for 700, 800, or 1000 EUR...

[Hanka]

Hello Butterfly,
if I can advice you, don´t look at price.
look at this:
-have both parents of puppy X-ray result?
-have both parents bonitation? What bonitation code?
-can you see video from thear test of character from bonitation?
-show titles......Not important. You can have much titles in country, where is not much wolfdogs on shows. Much ugly wolfdogs are champions of some countries.
-if you know more about wolfdogs, for you can be "interest"- what blood has puppy? is it good for you?= for breeding in your country?
-have parents of your puppy any defect what is disqualificated for breeding? (all is wroted in strandart, but much wolfdogs with it is breeded,...)

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

-have both parents bonitation? What bonitation code?

I will be the "bad woman" again... Since the bonitation is also made by people who have no even basic knowledge how to judge and measure the dog I will add also by this point "Not important." Sure you can take into consideration the bonitation made by O.Dora or S. Bognarova but by the rest be VERY carefull... Sometimes a dog which have boniotation code "perfect" and P1 is so in the reality so UNTYPICAL that should be judged as P14...And we have MANY example for it...

The same is with the video from the bonitation character test. It is also for nothing since some dogs train with people who later make the bonitation...

No - I will say that the dog shows results and bonitation codes are important but ONLY if they are made (judged) by a real experts.

Butterfly, there is only one thing which counts - the COOL BRAIN and COMMON SENSE - the knowledge how to distinguish the facts from the public relation "bla bla" told by the breeders.... If you really want to choose a good dog from a good breeder - visit some breeders and see their dogs in reality. Do not base on the advertisment written in internet and on the forum... Because in the virtual reality all breeders are perfect, all dogs are nice and have good characters. All breeders are responsible and carring for the dogs...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Butterfly,
if I can advice you, don´t look at price.
look at this:
-have both parents of puppy X-ray result?
-have both parents bonitation? What bonitation code?
-can you see video from thear test of character from bonitation?
-show titles......Not important. You can have much titles in country, where is not much wolfdogs on shows. Much ugly wolfdogs are champions of some countries.
-if you know more about wolfdogs, for you can be "interest"- what blood has puppy? is it good for you?= for breeding in your country?
-have parents of your puppy any defect what is disqualificated for breeding? (all is wroted in strandart, but much wolfdogs with it is breeded,...)

Yes I think you are 100% right way look at show results at all on a working breed look at work and bonitation (standard) Test instead

Regards / Mikael

[martiou07]

I found certain asking price in France well too excessive (of 1500 to 1800 euros….), I see that is not better in other countries ..... In France, the price which I would describe as normal locates between 800 and 1200 euros for a pup dog wolf (male or female). at this price there, obviously one can find all and import what, but by paying attention at which is taken the pup, there are the H-D result of the parents and even in certain cases the bonitations.

so long

Martial

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Mikael

and bonitation (standard) Test instead

Look ONLY on the standard... In the last month I visited two bonitation. There were two cases of dogs with wrong indexes Xv=50.
Czech dog with such index was judged by a Czech judge and get PERFECT bonitation code P1 (note "Excellent"). The second dog was judged by Slovakian judge and get P5 (note "good"). According the "standard" dog with such index can NEVER get excellent note.

But it is common case - in Czech Republic bad or very bad indexes have no influence on the bonitation code so in such case the Czech bonitation codes are much better than the Slovakian and MUCH better as they can be. The same is with open lips and atypical heads. It has no influence on the bonitation codes and you can see dogs with EXTREMELY heavy heads with no typical expression for this breed which are "rewarded" with the highest possible note...
(of course not all Czech bonitation codes are wrong and not all Czech dogs are atypical but there is visible difference in the bonitation codes). So the only solution is only to ask other (friends or) breeders for help or visit the bonitation and see which dog is REALLY perfect...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Hanka

-show titles......Not important. You can have much titles in country, where is not much wolfdogs on shows. Much ugly wolfdogs are champions of some countries.

Much ugly dogs are champion of some countries, including the country of origin of the breed.
Sorry but I will disagree completly with you, we have ever few dogs on dogshows here but our dogshows are far away better in selection than yours, some dogs I saw winning the dogshows that I had vizit on europe would NEVER get more than one "good" on ours dogshows if they not get disqualified, the difference is simply, mostly Brazilian judges at least knows how to judge properlly movement, thing that I never saw happening in europe.