Keep clear of Norway

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

The Norwegian Government did by 2004 issue a ban on the Czeschoslovakian Wolfdog and the American Staffordshire Terrier which are not allowed to import, keep or breed as the dogs are considered dangerous. In the last weeks Norwegian Media a new debate on the ban has arissen. The owners of the Amstaff Majlo - a young Swedish couple - left Sweden for new jobs in Norway. The couple claiming unaware of the Norwegian ban crossed the border accompanied by their pet. Some time later the police broke into their apartment and removed the dog. Fearing the owners would kidnap it the police brought the animal to secret rescue and the owners have to pay approx 400 euro for seeing their dog on a meeting place far away from the unknown shelter.

According to Norwegian law the couple should have been rejected by the border control not permitted to enter Norway accompanied by the dog. In this case something went terribly wrong and most likely the dog will be put to death even if the couple is willing to leave their home and quit their Norwegian employment by returning to Sweden with the pet.

I therefore strongly advice my fellow csv owners not to cross the Norwegian border accompanied by a csv, not even for hollidays. It may be killed just by beeing a dog.

the couple need good solisitor to get reprieve for this dog, it is obvious a genuine mistake on the owners behalf that they where not aware of the law, but it was serious mistake by the border patrol to have let the dog enter Norway, the solisitor should explane what has happened putting the blame soley onto the border patrol, they should ask that the dog be taken back to the border and handed over to the owners so they can rehome it, it must be made very clear that the border patrol failed to do there job correctly, if they had of the owners could have returned the dog to Sweden and this mess would never of happened. it is sad the complete encompedence of the border patrol could cost this dog its life. have you the address of the people to legally contact on this matter? regards pacino

[Vaiva]

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

I think there might be somewere between the borders down south...

But where I have pass there was nothing, I do not know where they did pass ??? But I think it is like crossing any border they control only 3-4% of the cars that pass or even less

As if you go to Sweden from Finland whit Silja Line you can pass fri on a sunday as they do not work at the border control at that harbour on sunday

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I think there might be somewere between the borders down south...

Geology students from Vilnius university go for practise on summers to Norway and they usualy pass the border from Finland to Norway And there is no border patrols My dog might have been crossing this border two years ago Scary.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Geology students from Vilnius university go for practise on summers to Norway and they usualy pass the border from Finland to Norway And there is no border patrols My dog might have been crossing this border two years ago Scary.

We do not have border patrol that far up in Scandinavia as there is no one passing or to less even in the summer and in the winter we do not even know where the borders are, as we can not se the white lines on the ground because of all the snow ...and ho would be passing there in -40`c and about 2,5 meter of snow I wounder...

Just kidding...

Best regards / Mikael

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

For sure, stationary and mobile units. You have the oportunity to pass stationary customs on "green" which means "no matters of interrest" or on "red" if you have matters to declare before entering the country. There may be mobile units patrolling the borders independently at a distance of approx 40 km off the border zone.

[Per Olav]

The couple has crossed the border several times without beeing questioned about their dog and now the Norwegian Kennel Club is supporting the couple by asking the police to think otherwise. The law make it clear that the the couple should have been informed before the police intervened by breaking into the apartmenet in the owner¨s absence. (The single person present was the mother of the owner - a Polish speaking woman with no knowledge of Norwegian). Nevertheless - according to the police the dog showed aggressive behaviour by barking (!!) at the officers as they entered the flat.

Most likely the police will defend their superiority by putting the dog to death unless the Head of Police decide otherwise. On facebook more than 10.000 individuals are supporting the couple and a petition is by now signed by more than 2.000.

[Rona]

The owners of Imbus spent their summer hollidays in Norway with Imbus. http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/926/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/917/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/936/
They seem to have been lucky!
Per Olav, can we do anything to help save the dog?

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Rona

The owners of Imbus spent their summer hollidays in Norway with Imbus. http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/926/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/917/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/936/
They seem to have been lucky!
Per Olav, can we do anything to help save the dog?

Maybe a mail to the Department of Police? I'll request information by the guy running the facebook group in support of the dog.

And yes, Imbus is certainly born under a lucky star

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

On facebook more than 10.000 individuals are supporting the couple and a petition is by now signed by more than 2.000.

Could you please post a link of this petition?

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Could you please post a link of this petition?

http://www.opprop.no/opprop.php?id=ajlo

[Per Olav]

The e-mail address to the Head of Police is [email protected] . My advice is to keep a "sober tone" appealing the authoryties allowing the dog transferred to Sweden. Harsh words may reduce the dog's possibility of survival.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

The e-mail address to the Head of Police is [email protected] . My advice is to keep a "sober tone" appealing the authoryties allowing the dog transferred to Sweden. Harsh words may reduce the dog's possibility of survival.

Wow Per ! You are either brave or crazy

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

The e-mail address to the Head of Police is [email protected] . My advice is to keep a "sober tone" appealing the authoryties allowing the dog transferred to Sweden. Harsh words may reduce the dog's possibility of survival.

Hmm, but if a lot of people will start sending e-mails won't it make the police even more serious (in the bad meaning) about this? Nobody likes spam...

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Hmm, but if a lot of people will start sending e-mails won't it make the police even more serious (in the bad meaning) about this? Nobody likes spam...

You may be right - on the other hand - this case has raised a lot of "noise" in the media - and on the facebook group the e-mail address to the Head of Police is published for those who want a more "direct approach" to the HoP.

[Margo]

People! The Norwegian government made really good steps trying to protect country from aggressive Wolfdogs. We have already documented cases of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs killing Norwegian(?) elks....

It started over three years ago:



and last till nowadays...




PS. It is sad we all must remove Norway from the list of countries which are a nice place to spent the holidays but as we saw on Wolfdog stupid regulations and decisions change. They go by as the people who made them....

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Margo

People! The Norwegian government made really good steps trying to protect country from aggressive Wolfdogs. We have already documented cases of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs killing Norwegian(?) elks....

LOL

PS. It is sad we all must remove Norway from the list of countries which are a nice place to spent the holidays but as we saw on Wolfdog stupid regulations and decisions change. They go by as the people who made them....

It's truly sad that this versatile breed is no longer allowed in my country - but the Kennel Club, experts and "ordinary people" are fighting to invalidate the existing law.

[Navarre]

How can they recognize that my dogs are czech wolfodg ? On passports i can write simply "gs-husky mix" (in Italy is possible) and live happy and visit norway freely!

Or not ?

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Navarre

How can they recognize that my dogs are czech wolfodg ? On passports i can write simply "gs-husky mix" (in Italy is possible) and live happy and visit norway freely!
Or not ?

I'll put it this way: By 1991 the American Pitbull Terrier was prohibited in Norway. Some years ago a dog mix was seized by the Police claiming the dog was a Pitbull Terrier mix. When the case was brought to court a Swedish professor stated the dog most likely was a mix of a Amstaff Terrier and one or more other breeds/mixes but since the excact origin of the dog not could be verified the dog was put to death.

In my country dogs are killed just on suspicion of beeing a banned breed or a banned breed mix or even looking like one.

[saschia]

So this actually means that the best thing to do would be to get false papers that you wolfdog is in fact saarloos wolfdogs as they are not banned... Nice.

Well, Norway is too cold for me anyway... But I keep my fingers crossed that this stupid thing will pass away...