Wolfdog org - official page?

Mikael · 04-02-2009, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backman

Hi, yes you must x-ray in "home-country" BUT you are allowed to send the pictures to another country for checking.. I know because some other breeders with "rare" breed in Finland have sent their pictures for checking to a country where they know "more" about the breed.

A woman working for finnish kennelclub told me that this is a possibility.

Best regards
Jenny

Thanks fore the answer Jenny
Maby this is something fore all CsV breeder in Finland to do...
If Fkk is no good at X-ray photos and they wont a official HD result

???

Best regards / Mikael

Wolfsirius · 04-02-2009, 23:16

Mikael, there is momentally 2 CsV breeders in Finland.
As far as i know, matings made in Finland,
dogs are x-rayed, at least unofficially.
Please, remember, that dog is more than only hips.
And, dysplasy can cause from "bad owner" too.
If dog is too fat, feeded badly,
wrong excercise in very young age and so on..
So, let's take care about the breed totality.
And, once again, let's take care about new owners as well. This is not breed for everyone.

-Suski

Mikael · 06-02-2009, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Mikael, there is momentally 2 CsV breeders in Finland.
As far as i know, matings made in Finland,
dogs are x-rayed, at least unofficially.
Please, remember, that dog is more than only hips.

-Suski

Unofficially x-rays has no value in Finland or in any other country nether, a specially not for a puppy buyer…

Reason
1, The vet is not approved x-ray specialist.
2, You might know the vet in person, you are a vet or work as a vetassistance.
3, It is to easy to fake a unofficial x-ray.

And as far as I know by talking to the Fkk, vets in Finland are not allowed by law to give unofficial x-ray results neither…

And yes, I know and agree that other things are important fore breeding to, but that does not make HD x-rays less important, and as far as I know it is the biggest health problem on the CsV breed…

If Fkk is the problem as you clearly are saying, way not do as Jenny Backman suggest, and send the x-ray to a another country fore evaluation ??? if now Fkk think it is OK !!!

Best regards / Mikael

Wolfsirius · 06-02-2009, 19:33

Yes, Mikael. That is correct.
As a puppybuyer you can always ask about x-rays, or any other things you are interested. And, you are the one who choose where you will buy your pup.
And as a breeder i always tell about my dogs, and as i wrote here already, all of my dogs do not have official x-rays. Is nonsense to lie about this as every pup buyer can ask official paper from x-rays very easily.
I have x-rays of my dogs, (HD/OD/BACK) and puppybuyer can see those, or have copy of those to show for vet he/she wants to. (if want to)

I also have DNA results from my CsV pups/litters. OFFICIAL.

and :

1, The vet is not approved x-ray specialist.
in Finland there is vet's who also work in FKK hip panel too. So, can be,
but often is not, that is correct.

2, You might know the vet in person, you are a vet or work as a vetassistance.
OF COURSE, there is also countries where you get good results with money.. or there is always people faking with many ways.. EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE. And.. what if you are a vet, or vet assistant, and you will take x-rays from other dog, which you know is healthy, and will send in names of other one.. ? EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE. Also in the dogworld.

3, It is to easy to fake a unofficial x-ray.
Is also TOO EASY TO FAKE OFFICIAL X-RAYS, i know one case personal, in other breed.. amazing, but truth. And very shame.

Only difference in my unofficial x-rays to official is that never sent to FKK. Is 100% same x-ray as official, with ID numbers, i just didn't send it to FKK. So, possible to send to FKK if want to.

There is possibility to x-ray dog in other country too, and is not difficult. Momentally i do not see any reason to do that, for me this way is enough. I am not ready (and momentally i do not have any possibilities) to travel with my dog (s) because of x-rays for many thousand kilometers.

I have 2 cases with official x-rays also so, that we waite hips B/C, came A/A,
and we waite elbows 1/1, came 0/0 (on other breeds)
Did i complain? NO..

I hope you are happy with your dog, even, it's parents not x-rayed officially both, i think he is a great companion to you, and i really wish all the best for you with your dog, even the dog is not from me.

-Suski

Mikael · 06-02-2009, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

I hope you are happy with your dog, even, i think he is a great companion to you, and i really wish all the best for you with your dog, even the dog is not from me.

-Suski

Thanks fore all your answers Suski

And yes I´m happy whit him and love him very very much

Very best regards / Mikael

04-02-2009, 23:16	#2
Wolfsirius Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118	Mikael, there is momentally 2 CsV breeders in Finland. As far as i know, matings made in Finland, dogs are x-rayed, at least unofficially. Please, remember, that dog is more than only hips. And, dysplasy can cause from "bad owner" too. If dog is too fat, feeded badly, wrong excercise in very young age and so on.. So, let's take care about the breed totality. And, once again, let's take care about new owners as well. This is not breed for everyone. -Suski __________________ I believe in the Wolf, her spirit and her strength. I respect the power they have and will. Walk beside them and protect them my entire life. -Suski-

06-02-2009, 19:33	#4
Wolfsirius Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118	Yes, Mikael. That is correct. As a puppybuyer you can always ask about x-rays, or any other things you are interested. And, you are the one who choose where you will buy your pup. And as a breeder i always tell about my dogs, and as i wrote here already, all of my dogs do not have official x-rays. Is nonsense to lie about this as every pup buyer can ask official paper from x-rays very easily. I have x-rays of my dogs, (HD/OD/BACK) and puppybuyer can see those, or have copy of those to show for vet he/she wants to. (if want to) I also have DNA results from my CsV pups/litters. OFFICIAL. and : 1, The vet is not approved x-ray specialist. in Finland there is vet's who also work in FKK hip panel too. So, can be, but often is not, that is correct. 2, You might know the vet in person, you are a vet or work as a vetassistance. OF COURSE, there is also countries where you get good results with money.. or there is always people faking with many ways.. EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE. And.. what if you are a vet, or vet assistant, and you will take x-rays from other dog, which you know is healthy, and will send in names of other one.. ? EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE. Also in the dogworld. 3, It is to easy to fake a unofficial x-ray. Is also TOO EASY TO FAKE OFFICIAL X-RAYS, i know one case personal, in other breed.. amazing, but truth. And very shame. Only difference in my unofficial x-rays to official is that never sent to FKK. Is 100% same x-ray as official, with ID numbers, i just didn't send it to FKK. So, possible to send to FKK if want to. There is possibility to x-ray dog in other country too, and is not difficult. Momentally i do not see any reason to do that, for me this way is enough. I am not ready (and momentally i do not have any possibilities) to travel with my dog (s) because of x-rays for many thousand kilometers. I have 2 cases with official x-rays also so, that we waite hips B/C, came A/A, and we waite elbows 1/1, came 0/0 (on other breeds) Did i complain? NO.. I hope you are happy with your dog, even, it's parents not x-rayed officially both, i think he is a great companion to you, and i really wish all the best for you with your dog, even the dog is not from me. -Suski __________________ I believe in the Wolf, her spirit and her strength. I respect the power they have and will. Walk beside them and protect them my entire life. -Suski-