Differences in breeding strategies and regulations

[Neufi-friend]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Neufi-friend, its your 3º post talking about or trying to attack Zlata Palz kennel, that means, all your posts.

I think you misunderstood my answers because I do not use other way of expression than Michael is using for the whole time. In the German forum you can read his very negative opinions about the health of dogs coming from Crying wolf kennel, about the mass production of puppies by Passo of Lupo or Christian's choice. Any many other dogs and breeders. For a long time I though it was a sign of experience and promotion of the right way of breeding. Oh, I was naive.
You recognized my expressions as attack but it is only showing my disappointment because whom I consider for a long time as serious breeder is not a little bit better person than breeders he criticizes. And with every new private message I receive it makes me more sad.
You all have very professional web pages and great database but the level of the breeders stay fare behind the level of internet presentation and it is not possible to call such kind of behaviour as a "responsible breeding".

And reading the opinions written in this topic by breeders (?) which do not see anything wrong on producing 20 puppies of one female within one year I feel really sad for this breed and the dogs which such people own.
I could write that for me it is pure abuse of the female but it is not about my private opinion. One thing what you can not change and you must all follow are the regulations; and the VDH says "only one litter per year is allowed". Mr. Massimo please do not hide behind being "pitty of missing a litter" because we all are not children which are not able to count - mother of this litter gave birth to puppies in December, so she was covered in October. The next heat will be due next October. If there would be no litter this time they will not loose anything. Because there was one litter born last year (01.2008) and it was sure when they would not cover the female now the next litter would be born in 2009. It means no "lost" heats but also keeping to the RULES. Is it so hard?
I checked the German forum once again and still I have no explanation for it. There is written that the VDH allowed it because the female is healthy. And the main explanation given by the breeder is that the female was forced to have 20 puppies a year because she "loves puppies so much". Does it mean other German breeders keep to the rules because they females are in bad condition and they need more time to recover than the Michael's females? Or maybe although also other femals are in great contition other breeders do not cover them twice a years because the regulations and the good of the dogs is much more important than rising as many puppies as possible?
Everyone of us know mutt females which have litters 3 times a year and look healthy but I don't know any serious and responsible breeder who will cover his female 3 times a year even if he could. Also I will not call a responsible breeder person who ask for such behaviour permission (don't forget in Germany something is not officialy allowed and you must ask for special permission).
Of course I can be wrong and the breeder asked a special permission and the litter will be counted for the year 2009. In this case - if I get guarantee that Falin will have no other litter in 2009 I will officially apologize here.

Originally Posted by massimo

I suppose you mean to say that Zlata Palz puppy owners can be conditioned and bribed some way by Micheal Eichorn?
This is a very superficial remark...
I own a Passo del Lupo, a Crying Wolf and a Zlata Palz.
(...)
If mating a female within a year difference is forbidden in Germany but not in Italy, France, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, then it is a German problem, NOT OURS.
You should know well that "skipping" a heat for a CSW means to wait a whole year because of 1 heat per year, and specially when heat is difficult it is a pity to miss.
Also, if puppies were born 11 and then 9 it is not the breeder's fault.
Maybe you suggest to kill 2 or 3 pups so he can be "regular?".

You are wrong while You write it is not YOUR problem since English forum is a place when breeders from all countries meet and the forum where users are dealing with all kind of problems, it is also the right place for my question. It is not about problem in my country but a problem of breeders who do not keep to the kennel club regulations in their countries. And if the regulation ask you to skip the heat you have to do this.
And Your try to absolve abusing of the females is for me incomprehensible.
From the other side what I took the look on the dogs you own and listed I must admit that you have a very weird kind of choosing the breeders. I'm not familiar with TWH but I know your kennel names since all are pretty "famous" on this forum. And even if only 50 percent of the facts written by Michael about the mass production of puppies by Passo del Lupo and health and character problems in this kennel or the story about Crying wolf written by Christian after he took Myla: about very poor conditions and puppies growing up in rabbit cages in this kennel I would say openly I will never made the choice like you while choosing the puppies. I do not care about any stories about quality, or missing quality, of the dogs coming from both kennels but purely about the conditions. While buying puppies you pay money which force the breeders to produce more and more dogs who are being abused in this way. And indirectly the puppy buyers like you are also responsible for the poor life the poor dogs lead there.
Since last few days I will also not recommend Zlata Palz but as far I can see it fits to your preferences. I can understand you will protect it because if you would not agree with the kind of treating animals in the three listed kennels you would also not buy a puppy from them.
But I hope you also understand that for many other dog owners the life of animals and conditions in which they are living and the way they are threated are more important than the pedigree, puppies and money.

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Then as you're almost an anonimous here you will have 3 days to fullfill your user datas on control panel or I will have reason to think you're nothing than a troll.

Please believe me I was thinking about this till I read the words written by Michael:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Still no balls?
Usually I tell people with no name to bugger off, but since Newfoundland Dogs and obviously their friends are not the fastest moving animals, I kindly ask you now to introduce yourself.
Otherwise you're not worthy wasting an answer on.
Michael

First as far I know according the netiquette all personal attacks are forbidden and I hope the moderator will also suffer consequences in this case.
For me two things become clear: instead of any explanations all I get is hiding the truth and trying to avoid any official answers. Soon I will be banned only because I asked wrong questions to the wrong person. Nice way of dealing with any opponents. KGB can learn of it.
From the other side the answers I get from Michael, even if they do not include any facts, are also a clear answer for me that my suspicions must be true because they caused such enormous aggression. It made me clear which kind of person is my debater.
Instead of discussion and answers all I get are personal attack on my dogs and me. I hope you will understand that I will not publish my personal information since I was already informed that all I can get after it is not a clear answer but offending phone calls full of fury.