Litters with unknow HD-results: should be removed or not?

Hanka · 29-10-2008, 14:55

But Margo, in EVERY country can be club for this breed and this club CAN do bonitations. But I see how BIG problem it is somewhere

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And I think, of course, in every country is some doctor what can do X-ray result.

Mikael · 29-10-2008, 19:26

You know what I think Margo...

Throw them out the back

...

Best regards / Mikael

Mikael · 29-10-2008, 20:07

Sorry, I missunderstod...

Maby it would be enough to not let them sell litters on this site ???

Regards / Mikael

saschia · 30-10-2008, 11:21

I voted no, because I understood the question as whether the litters from not Xrayed/bonitated parents should or should not be included in the database and visible to anybody. But I thing they should not be included in advertisement of puppies.

Mikael · 30-10-2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by saschia

I voted no, because I understood the question as whether the litters from not Xrayed/bonitated parents should or should not be included in the database and visible to anybody. But I thing they should not be included in advertisement of puppies.

I voted yes...

But I think like you, it would be better whit a complite database and not let them sell the puppies whitout HD results.

This way in a short distance future all breeders will add the HD results to the database by (free) will.

Best regads / Mikael

Hanka · 30-10-2008, 12:40

Hmmm. And: what we can see from adds on this site. In this moment is there 74 adds. 47litters have parents WITHOUT bonitation. It can be potentential danger, the pups will have some exterier defect, gen defect or parents have too bad character. Hmmmm. 21 litters is from parents (or one parent) without HD result. So pups from 21 litters can be bad for future breeding, they CAN have some problems. Only 29 litters (from 74!) is without problem and new owner will have hogher %, the puppy will be health and OK. Really, good result of short history of our breed.....

But in some countries somebody will NEVER control, if wolfdogs are health and stabil breed. And we will tell to everybody: "Yeees, it is health breed, it is good breed for training, for sports. " ha ha ha

Really sad view to our breed from countries of origin, what hapenned with this breed.

So Margo, I can tell you, what will be result of our voting....29:45 if will vote every person, what have adds here....29 for good future of our breed against 45 of producers. Maybe hard words, but true.

massimo · 30-10-2008, 14:45

my 2 cents:
All litters should be allowed an ad on this site, without HD results, with Bad HD results, without bonitation, even those coming from kennels which Margo decided not to advertise any more (

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To do a good service to buyers, these litters should be showed SEPARATELY!!
Group 1) hd results and bonitation
Group 2) hd results and no bonitation (for some countries bonitation is not compulsory so it is not always "fault")
Group 3) no complete Hd results (even if only one parent has...) and no bonitation.

I believe people would start worrying and want their litter to be in group 1...

Maybe group 1 should have most evidence and the others will appear down on the site and only if you scroll down...

So, NO censoring new litters but distinguishing between breeders who work hard and get results and breeders who don't care.

Massimo

View Poll Results: Litters with unknow HD-results: should be removed?
Yes	20	54.05%
No	17	45.95%
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29-10-2008, 14:55	#1
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	But Margo, in EVERY country can be club for this breed and this club CAN do bonitations. But I see how BIG problem it is somewhere. And I think, of course, in every country is some doctor what can do X-ray result.

29-10-2008, 19:26	#2
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	You know what I think Margo... Throw them out the back ... Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

29-10-2008, 20:07	#3
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Sorry, I missunderstod... Maby it would be enough to not let them sell litters on this site ??? Regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

30-10-2008, 11:21	#4
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	I voted no, because I understood the question as whether the litters from not Xrayed/bonitated parents should or should not be included in the database and visible to anybody. But I thing they should not be included in advertisement of puppies. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

30-10-2008, 12:40	#6
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hmmm. And: what we can see from adds on this site. In this moment is there 74 adds. 47litters have parents WITHOUT bonitation. It can be potentential danger, the pups will have some exterier defect, gen defect or parents have too bad character. Hmmmm. 21 litters is from parents (or one parent) without HD result. So pups from 21 litters can be bad for future breeding, they CAN have some problems. Only 29 litters (from 74!) is without problem and new owner will have hogher %, the puppy will be health and OK. Really, good result of short history of our breed..... But in some countries somebody will NEVER control, if wolfdogs are health and stabil breed. And we will tell to everybody: "Yeees, it is health breed, it is good breed for training, for sports. " ha ha ha Really sad view to our breed from countries of origin, what hapenned with this breed. So Margo, I can tell you, what will be result of our voting....29:45 if will vote every person, what have adds here....29 for good future of our breed against 45 of producers. Maybe hard words, but true.

30-10-2008, 14:45	#7
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	my 2 cents: All litters should be allowed an ad on this site, without HD results, with Bad HD results, without bonitation, even those coming from kennels which Margo decided not to advertise any more () To do a good service to buyers, these litters should be showed SEPARATELY!! Group 1) hd results and bonitation Group 2) hd results and no bonitation (for some countries bonitation is not compulsory so it is not always "fault") Group 3) no complete Hd results (even if only one parent has...) and no bonitation. I believe people would start worrying and want their litter to be in group 1... Maybe group 1 should have most evidence and the others will appear down on the site and only if you scroll down... So, NO censoring new litters but distinguishing between breeders who work hard and get results and breeders who don't care. Massimo __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica