Tail

furyos · 26-03-2008, 01:50

hi again nebulosa ...if yu think that it s YUR IDEA nebulosa if yu like yur idea no problem for me ......y respect it ...BUT NOT MINE ....for me yu are not open enougth in yur judgment and think just what yu want or feel on wolfdog ...like "anthropomorphism"....but selection it s not just lucky storie ... or little star on .... FOR ME : if y have one dog with this problem y NEVER try to have pupps with ..that 's all ... y don' t want see that in the future ...this is my idea ... respect it ...that s all ...best regards ...furyos

Nebulosa · 26-03-2008, 01:55

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Originally Posted by furyos

hi again nebulosa ...if yu think that it s YUR IDEA nebulosa if yu like yur idea no problem for me ......y respect it ...BUT NOT MINE ....for me yu are not open enougth in yur judgment and think just what yu want or feel on wolfdog ...like "anthropomorphism"....but selection it s not just lucky storie ... or little star on .... FOR ME : if y have one dog with this problem y NEVER try to have pupps with ..that 's all ... y don' t want see that in the future ...this is my idea ... respect it ...that s all ...best regards ...furyos

Isn't a question for ideas, we are talking about one dog breed with definited standard that MUST be respected.
Isn't something "I like dogs with tail on the belly because that I will select dogs like that because this is wolfish", if for you sickle tail is one problem, ok, but isn't for the standard that means that, simply like that, if you not like, ok, we respect it, but not try to put your taste as standard for the breed.
only that.

furyos · 26-03-2008, 01:55

nebulosa !!! please !!!it s a joke or yu loose yur mind??? why not choose a chihuaha to illustrate this problem..... y think yu loose yur serious ..... when y speak about curl it's in the end on tail ...like a nordik ...if a lot of wolfdog have this "caracteristic "genetik ..yes we can imagine that a lot of mariage we can have yur last pictures ...god preserve us !!!!!!! this is for that it s necessary to STOP IT IMMEDIATLY ...mutation and genetik ...YU KNOW ? ;;;;in 10 or 20years if nobody note this ..YES IT WILL BE TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!good idea in fact yur last pictures ..this extrem idea show a real problem in future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks nebulosa ...thanks ....regards ...f

furyos · 26-03-2008, 02:00

nebulosa ...standart is not straight enougth ..y know and a lot of people know that (50 years old)..... we need a better ligth on this sort of problem ..like long hair coat /black mask ...ect ... please y 'm not stupid enougth to think that y m or became of origin of a new standart ...but y try to respect it ...and on standart the reference is wolf and not nordik dog ..OK? that's all ...

Nebulosa · 26-03-2008, 02:02

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Originally Posted by furyos

nebulosa !!! please !!!it s a joke or yu loose yur mind??? why not choose a chihuaha to illustrate this problem..... y think yu loose yur serious ..... when y speak about curl it's in the end on tail ...like a nordik ...if a lot of wolfdog have this "caracteristic "genetik ..yes we can imagine that a lot of mariage we can have yur last pictures ...god preserve us !!!!!!! this is for that it s necessary to STOP IT IMMEDIATLY ...mutation and genetik ...YU KNOW ? ;;;;in 10 or 20years if nobody note this ..YES IT WILL BE TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!good idea in fact yur last pictures ..this extrem idea show a real problem in future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks nebulosa ...thanks ....regards ...f

God, you need quickly studie structure and dinamic of dogs or you won't be able to breed properlly.

furyos · 26-03-2008, 02:11

if y say that nebulosa it 's because a tail with this problem can became on genetik present ..... that 's all and y don 't wait yu to breed dog ...sorry .... what studie yu have in genetik? y have a good friend in "maison alfort vetenary university."and y study with french teachers's SCC for my french certificate breeder .and my discussion about some problems we meet in some dogs(mask/long hair /tail curl) with them prove exactly that if nobody note that in a "cheptel "we can have realy this caracteristic on blood line ..... but y forget sorry yu are a big professor in yur country and french genetik professors are so stupid for yu ...to stop a genetik problem ? don t try a marriage with a risk inside .... that s all ......regards .... f

furyos · 26-03-2008, 02:14

an other question ...do yu ever see in real furcas ? ..... y m not alone in france to note this problem ..... sorry ....

Nebulosa · 26-03-2008, 02:42

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Originally Posted by furyos

if y say that nebulosa it 's because a tail with this problem can became on genetik present ..... that 's all and y don 't wait yu to breed dog ...sorry .... what studie yu have in genetik? y have a good friend in "maison alfort vetenary university."and y study with french teachers's SCC for my french certificate breeder .and my discussion about some problems we meet in some dogs(mask/long hair /tail curl) with them prove exactly that if nobody note that in a "cheptel "we can have realy this caracteristic on blood line ..... but y forget sorry yu are a big professor in yur country and french genetik professors are so stupid for yu ...to stop a genetik problem ? don t try a marriage with a risk inside .... that s all ......regards .... f

I no need titles or names for proof my knowledge Furyous.
I think even with all these contacts lack for you experience, principally when we talk about CzW case, a breed with few bloodlines, you're talking in take out of reproduction a beauty dog with good character because his tail for you taste isn't good.

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Originally Posted by furyos

an other question ...do yu ever see in real furcas ? ..... y m not alone in france to note this problem ..... sorry ....

If you be more experienced in judge dogs you will see that I no need touch Furcas for judge his tail when I have see some videos with he in dogshows, in the nature, playing and photos of he.
But is pretty common make this confusion when you have a dog wich show with a relax up sickle tail when you not know what points you need judge for judge the tail position and here, we talk even about the crupper and back limbs angulation.
We are talking about dog anatomy and really a dog with the structure of Furcas will never have a curly tail naturally, maybe if the tail was broken that isn't the case.

freewild · 26-03-2008, 03:15

hi here is many photos about furcas and other dog

in fact it depend the caracter as one dog the level affirmed about dominance

in fact for me speak about furcas it's only to have explain about traduce
furyos( merlin ..franck .etc .... as you want .....) you ask as nebulosa if she have see furcas but you ............ you have see only one furcas you can't realy speak

now with photos you can speak

furcas have the tail realy on the parallele as the back not on the left not at the right and don't touch the back

for me the more important furcas don't agress the judge on showor are shy : the tail isn't realy important in fact it's only on information about the level as the dog in the hierarchy and furcas have one realy big caractere
BUT I wait other people as know the standard i didn't say " i have reason "

i just want to learn that's all
i don't speak esencialy about furcas's tail but about the standard

in fact we must speak about standard !
TAIL Set on high, hanging straight down. When dog is excited, generally raised up in sickle shape.

without agressivity just speak and explain why we said those we think about it

furyos · 26-03-2008, 03:38

Attachment 404...............hey this is the real pb for for a bad position tail............but furcas is whithout tha areal real nice dog.........

26-03-2008, 03:15	#9
freewild Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: gironde Posts: 2,329	hi here is many photos about furcas and other dog in fact it depend the caracter as one dog the level affirmed about dominance in fact for me speak about furcas it's only to have explain about traduce furyos( merlin ..franck .etc .... as you want .....) you ask as nebulosa if she have see furcas but you ............ you have see only one furcas you can't realy speak now with photos you can speak furcas have the tail realy on the parallele as the back not on the left not at the right and don't touch the back for me the more important furcas don't agress the judge on showor are shy : the tail isn't realy important in fact it's only on information about the level as the dog in the hierarchy and furcas have one realy big caractere BUT I wait other people as know the standard i didn't say " i have reason " i just want to learn that's all i don't speak esencialy about furcas's tail but about the standard in fact we must speak about standard ! TAIL Set on high, hanging straight down. When dog is excited, generally raised up in sickle shape. without agressivity just speak and explain why we said those we think about it __________________ amitiées tchequelouquienne http://texwolf.free.fr www.amicale-chien-loup-tchecoslovaque.com une vrai passion pour une belle race ! signé fabrice tout simplement passionné....... et c'est deja ça

26-03-2008, 03:38	#10
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	Attachment 404...............hey this is the real pb for for a bad position tail............but furcas is whithout tha areal real nice dog......... Last edited by furyos; 26-11-2008 at 17:47.

26-03-2008, 01:50	#1
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	hi again nebulosa ...if yu think that it s YUR IDEA nebulosa if yu like yur idea no problem for me ......y respect it ...BUT NOT MINE ....for me yu are not open enougth in yur judgment and think just what yu want or feel on wolfdog ...like "anthropomorphism"....but selection it s not just lucky storie ... or little star on .... FOR ME : if y have one dog with this problem y NEVER try to have pupps with ..that 's all ... y don' t want see that in the future ...this is my idea ... respect it ...that s all ...best regards ...furyos

26-03-2008, 01:55	#3
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	nebulosa !!! please !!!it s a joke or yu loose yur mind??? why not choose a chihuaha to illustrate this problem..... y think yu loose yur serious ..... when y speak about curl it's in the end on tail ...like a nordik ...if a lot of wolfdog have this "caracteristic "genetik ..yes we can imagine that a lot of mariage we can have yur last pictures ...god preserve us !!!!!!! this is for that it s necessary to STOP IT IMMEDIATLY ...mutation and genetik ...YU KNOW ? ;;;;in 10 or 20years if nobody note this ..YES IT WILL BE TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!good idea in fact yur last pictures ..this extrem idea show a real problem in future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks nebulosa ...thanks ....regards ...f

26-03-2008, 02:00	#4
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	nebulosa ...standart is not straight enougth ..y know and a lot of people know that (50 years old)..... we need a better ligth on this sort of problem ..like long hair coat /black mask ...ect ... please y 'm not stupid enougth to think that y m or became of origin of a new standart ...but y try to respect it ...and on standart the reference is wolf and not nordik dog ..OK? that's all ...

26-03-2008, 02:11	#6
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	if y say that nebulosa it 's because a tail with this problem can became on genetik present ..... that 's all and y don 't wait yu to breed dog ...sorry .... what studie yu have in genetik? y have a good friend in "maison alfort vetenary university."and y study with french teachers's SCC for my french certificate breeder .and my discussion about some problems we meet in some dogs(mask/long hair /tail curl) with them prove exactly that if nobody note that in a "cheptel "we can have realy this caracteristic on blood line ..... but y forget sorry yu are a big professor in yur country and french genetik professors are so stupid for yu ...to stop a genetik problem ? don t try a marriage with a risk inside .... that s all ......regards .... f

26-03-2008, 02:14	#7
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	an other question ...do yu ever see in real furcas ? ..... y m not alone in france to note this problem ..... sorry ....