Breed Character

[loco]

Originally Posted by Hanka

But what was good-army did first selection for work character. Present breeders must continue, if we want have working breed. Not like in "some states". It is very sad for breeders in Czech, Slovakia, when we see wolfogs with tail under stomach in showrings. It is not WOLFDOG. It is parody to working breed. And titles from shows? They are NOTHING.

Hai Hanka,
I also believe that to much breeders only breed ,for showdogs,and does not care at all about the character.
But I also seen dogs,from Czech and Slovakia,with the tail on there belly.
It is not only,some states!!
But all of theme.
Where you can find breeders,with extreme scared dogs.
But the most people does not care about it,that is a little piece of the wolf!!they say!!
I only think it is a pitty for these dogs,to live a livetime with fear!!!
Greetings Martine.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by loco

But I also seen dogs,from Czech and Slovakia,with the tail on there belly.
It is not only,some states!!

I am also confused about it because i hear always about working dogs and owners from czech. But i also seen dogs from czech very shy on shows.

I am looking for right dog for me now and my friends said me to look in czech. I looked for nice character and was interesing in Hanka puppies but it is not working dogs. My question is why people from czech advertise puppies from them as working dogs when they never working with dogs. I looked in database and Hanka your dogs have no exams. If you are working why you have no exams. Because also here by us are many breeders saying same: he is working but no results.

Another thing i am asking is about the theoreticians on forum. Many you are writing about working dogs working lines and breed charcter. I have questions about it but is here someone who makes exams with dogs and really working? I am also good in theory but i want to speak to peole who train wolfdogs. Someone of you?

[Hanka]

I prefer mushing, scooter. If you will know me, you will know it.We do classic sporttraining too. Sometimes we go to some races, but we don´t have exams. I have not so much free time for reall good sporttraining. If I want do it, I need for it more more free time. I can´t do much activites together, because day has only 24 hours. So my choosing is- more sport, less training.
But it don´t mean- my dogs can´t do classic protect training, tracking, obedience. They do it of course, but not on "high level", it is only hobby, "second activity".
I think, you must first think and second write....Your articles are very often attacked somebody. It is not good....I read your articles and I am surprised- somebody answer you.....

[Hanka]

And please- don´t write, what are working pups and what no. You don´t know my dogs, you know nothing about working dogs in Czech, about families or lines what are good for work.. If you know character of wolfdogs in your country, write about them.....

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I prefer mushing, scooter. If you will know me, you will know it.We do classic sporttraining too. Sometimes we go to some races, but we don´t have exams. I have not so much free time for reall good sporttraining. If I want do it, I need for it more more free time. I can´t do much activites together, because day has only 24 hours. So my choosing is- more sport, less training.
But it don´t mean- my dogs can´t do classic protect training, tracking, obedience. They do it of course, but not on "high level", it is only hobby, "second activity".
I think, you must first think and second write....Your articles are very often attacked somebody. It is not good....I read your articles and I am surprised- somebody answer you.....

I not want to attack you - maybe you dont understand me. Sorry for my english i will try write better....

I see you like you dogs and you are many time witht them. i only want say what you write is not work but fun with dogs. All owners make the same and they dogs are not working lines because it is fun.

Originally Posted by Hanka

And please- don´t write, what are working pups and what no. You don´t know my dogs, you know nothing about working dogs in Czech, about families or lines what are good for work.. If you know character of wolfdogs in your country, write about them.....

I have good friends CLC breeders and they know lot about lines. They also say like me: dogs with no work and sport results are not working lines. dog not working is not working dog because it is no sence.

Originally Posted by mijke

Here you can find all CsW with certificates :http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...e=certificates

thank you but i know wolfdog very good...

Originally Posted by mijke

And please also read again all the answers in this topic like for example the one of Michael: “I think two things are mixed up.
Firstly working dogs, secondly sports dogs.”

I write: some breeders write they have working lines and their dogs are not work dogs but also not sport dogs. For me it is stupid to write about them working lines. It is all i want to say.

Originally Posted by mijke

And for your info:
Yes, I also train with my dogs and do a lot of things with them. (more info you can find in articles on www.de-ursidae-stee.com )
And no, my dogs did not all kind of exams, I train my dogs just for fun because I like to do a lot of things with them (but I can assure you that is also sometimes heavy training!)

I like your photos and posts very much. For me you and you dogs are really working dogs. you make no stupid advertisment but just work. Breeders like you are for me breeders of real working lines. Maybe not now because for it you need more generations but i hope you know what i write...

Originally Posted by Navarre

Good dogs aren't only in czech repuplic... only good owners are.

..and breeders who write they breed the only working lines... I agree

[mijke]

Originally Posted by lupis

I
Another thing i am asking is about the theoreticians on forum. Many you are writing about working dogs working lines and breed charcter. I have questions about it but is here someone who makes exams with dogs and really working? I am also good in theory but i want to speak to peole who train wolfdogs. Someone of you?

Here you can find all CsW with certificates :http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...e=certificates

And please also read again all the answers in this topic like for example the one of Michael: “I think two things are mixed up.
Firstly working dogs, secondly sports dogs.”

And for your info:
Yes, I also train with my dogs and do a lot of things with them. (more info you can find in articles on www.de-ursidae-stee.com )
And no, my dogs did not all kind of exams, I train my dogs just for fun because I like to do a lot of things with them (but I can assure you that is also sometimes heavy training!)

[Navarre]

I don't tink there are "working lines" in csw, because even with the best csw you can't achieve the best results in any activity (except tracks).

Ok, there are better csw (well balanced character, self confident)and worser csw (shy or too aggressive).

I think the main difference is if a dog can BITE (very sef confident and fearless). With a dog that bite you can do any sport activity, with a dog that don't bite you can't do any protection work.

So called "working dogs" are in Czech Rep, but are in other country too...in Italy we have many dogs with exams in protection work (some IPOs too), rescue dogs and so on.

For my (little) experience the dogs character is important, but the biggest part is to the owner. THIS is the main difference...in Czech for the people is normality "working with dog"!
In Italy this is an exception !!! Two weeks ago in Italy (Pavia) we organized THE LARGEST OFFICIAL BONITATION til 1994 (41 dogs) and although main part of dogs passed the test with good character, was clever to the judge that 90% of dogs has never work in any way.

Almost 90% of dogs weren't prepared at all for the bonitation but the results were overally good.
Good dogs aren't only in czech repuplic... only good owners are.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by lupis

Another thing i am asking is about the theoreticians on forum. Many you are writing about working dogs working lines and breed charcter. I have questions about it but is here someone who makes exams with dogs and really working? I am also good in theory but i want to speak to peole who train wolfdogs. Someone of you?

"Makes exams" and "really working" are different things. To work really with CsV you have to work at police or rescue or smth like that, but I am sure not many CsV owners have conditions to "really work" with their dogs in that way. But it doesn't mean they are not having sports with their dogs.

In my opinion, number of thepassed exams doesn't nesecery show a good, brave, seflconfident, stable dog. You should simply come and see the dog alive.

[freewild]

hi

about socialisation in french there are more and more CSW with good caractere at the show to bordeaux praticaly all the young CSW was a good caractere only 2 was not realy shure and only one was realy shy the both CSW doesn't "working"

in fact the owner feels responsability about thier dog and understand socialisation and obediance are so important

in french we can't working for ipo; rci on other else similary.the only working is "tracking ( FCI search and reascue )" obediance and agility

more and more breeders have a good work with there dog the futurs onwner have more nformation but more and mor onwners with out breeders' name do it puppy's as far as they could for monay and it's one realy problem for the futur .

It was just a general example to illustrate that CsW with such shy behaviour in west European countries can get Excellent on shows..
I am well experienced enough to see if a dog behave like this because they don’t like the situation (other breeds can do the same), or if they are really shy and afraid. And I did mention the last kind of behaviour.

actually we have nice CSW for the show and working but the number as CSW isn't the same than slovaquie or other original's country
i hope come for show and trainning a prepare obediance a tracking but many "working dog man " deosn't know the wolfdog's caracter " and it's one realy probleme

because when you hear "this sort of dog ...... no thing to do ..... "

the breed is realy new !! and this is a reality

in west europe we haven't your experience on wolfdog , we have one realy test because we will have sonia bognarona and stefik on show

on show champion french ( lyon )M. STEFIK Stefan (Slovaquie)

http://cedia.fr/ftp/Lyon2008.pdf


and on breeding's national sonia bognarova ( to confirm )

in fact on good test about le reality as the CSW in west europe

but yes ... we haven't IPO or else selection but too many woldog have caractere too working and the CBEI are not agree for this working

"Makes exams" and "really working" are different things. To work really with CsV you have to work at police or rescue or smth like that, but I am sure not many CsV owners have conditions to "really work" with their dogs in that way. But it doesn't mean they are not having sports with their dogs.

i'm agree with that because more owners have good condition to live but in france the owners take on CSW for one live's friend abd not for one working 's dog; in fact 5 % perhaps 10 % are some working dog but more more as that .

how many CSW work in the slovaquia or tchequie or yours country in reality ??