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Old 22-02-2012, 01:06   #1
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Because we have Saarloos-like pups in the litters which born exactly after Mijke bring an Red Saarloos called Dvorak to Edith, and thats why all the litters by Crying Wolf after the time of arrival of this Saarloos are marked as possible mixes on wolfdog.org database.
Before no one was blaming Edith for that as accidents can happen in the best kennels, till she started to REFUSE to help even the owner of the possible afected litters to clear the situation, meaning that she knows what happened and is trying to hide it.
If you want your dog be marked as pure dog, then now is much simpler as we know that the parents of Elbe are really her parents, you only need to ask the blood of Issar (who, so far I know, he is yet by Edith) for confirm if he is the real father.
you say ........ you are sure ........... but in fact you know nothing ... your database is an accumulation of bad data, I take for example the inability of your moderator French who use their status to denigrate some of our breeders and our dogs, we can not be modérators and sellers without party against just you, on condition of anonymity you hide behind an invisible barrier to destroy the work of some without feelings.
just look at the French forum dying because your moderators are disseminators of gossip, do not hesitate to tackle some breeders, but "protect" their contacts friends, there are dozens of errors on which you do not even ask not an eye, you trust incompetent plus months progressed, more errors are glaring, but you do nothing, you steal information, if you do not you invent, you disclose personal information without authorization, malgrés our constant demands to remove them, I call this a dictatorship, we are just owners, but we do not have the information, our addresses, our phone numbers are accessible without permits, and this is not normal ! when you give evidence, you think of others, I continue??

therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
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therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
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I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France. There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem.

It is the reason why more and more breeders and owners ask as to ban whole French population of CsW arguing that French pedigress do not have any value and nobody can be sure while using dogs bred in FR that the puppies will be a pure CsWs.

Of course we can follow their wishes and ban ALL French dogs. But we decided to make something else - all problematic lines are marked. We will try to "clean" them using the DNA tests. But till it will be done the owners and breeders can see which lines are "problematic" and they can decide if they will risk by breeding the dogs or if they will wait till it will be known for sure that they are purebreed (or mixes).
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Old 22-02-2012, 13:03   #3
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I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France. There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem.

It is the reason why more and more breeders and owners ask as to ban whole French population of CsW arguing that French pedigress do not have any value and nobody can be sure while using dogs bred in FR that the puppies will be a pure CsWs.

Of course we can follow their wishes and ban ALL French dogs. But we decided to make something else - all problematic lines are marked. We will try to "clean" them using the DNA tests. But till it will be done the owners and breeders can see which lines are "problematic" and they can decide if they will risk by breeding the dogs or if they will wait till it will be known for sure that they are purebreed (or mixes).
the problem that presents itself right now with some people is stigmatized in much of the animosity of some of our moderators French, many rumors are disclosed and conveyed and a total loss of confidence is instaled on WD, so a total desertion any stakeholder.
we are very likely to have regularly raised the problem we encountered with martiou07 freewild and without anything have been done, their stances too invective, see aggressive tire have many users.
by dint of lassitude and incomprehension, many people have seen have exceeded certain limits and banned from the finite basis.
I must remember that a moderator must be impartial to all breeders, that no personal feelings should interfere with a base that wants serious and global.
many photos do not match the dogs, many claims are not real, they are parts of rumors started by some moderators have finished recorded on this basis.
I must remember that a moderator must be impartial to all breeders, that no personal feelings should interfere with a base that wants serious and global.
many photos do not match the dogs, many claims are not real, they are parts of rumors started by some moderators have finished recorded on this basis.
to hear our moderators we do that without any evidence some mongrel dogs end up being banned for breeding from a dog suspected (while other farms that should be worried are not) yet they have the same reproductive .
the eyes of many individuals it's more like disinformation referred rather than an impartial desired.
we simply ask that cleaning is done both in terms of our dogs complained that within our moderators who use their "status", it's that simple, here's what circulates between lovers.
disclosure of "black list" of breeders via WD should never occur, WD wants informal and seriously, a valuable help for farmers around the world, make sure that your moderators are too.

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I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France.There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem
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Arriminium, the problem is not the moderation of the french forum but the fact that you voluntarily close the eyes….
you do not realize that by your debilities you kill the race gradually….
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Arriminium, the problem is not the moderation of the french forum but the fact that you voluntarily close the eyes….
you do not realize that by your debilities you kill the race gradually….
Bravo...

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Dear Ariminium,

why do you complain about the moderators in the french forum at all, even calling them dictators?
As long as you have the freedom to celebrate one of the most well known and obvious mixes, http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...23819&langid=7
in your forum, your complaints seem ridiculous to me.

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dear michaelundinaeichhorn

already, I'm just a dog owner, nothing more, until finally now, I actually celebrate my dog​​'s birthday, one year, this festival .....
I put forward the very many things we endure for a long time on this forum, the lies, rumors, through some perverse of our moderators, their very own way of attacking some people regularly, under pretexts they do not agree with them, they use euro "power" to announce what they want under the guise of the directors then saying they are responsible for anything, some post disappear almost immediately, and other still, if this is not the dictatorship, call it what you want ...
some farmers are not housed in the same boat, there is a blatant favoritism, edit a blacklist circulated by WD, coming from a moderator is simply a lack of bias, lack of competence, that's all simply unacceptable.
I would note that the post of the wolves géméhtoues Ostrevent was simply moved to another section "Videos & photo stories" and we do we are not offended so far, just as we talk to other breeds of dogs ... not? and that's good.
what I mean here is how some moderators act, they accuse without proof, they announce things without knowing, just "one says," they take part openly for some and denigrate others.
For me this is a dictatorship.


moderator must be impartial, must not favoritism, should not feed the gossip and rumors of all kinds, must not denigrate any of the breeders / users of this forum, should not STEAL images imformatiques on other media to start rumors or say without some evidence of their claims, a moderator is required to calm the thread of conversation, not to feed them, see them stir, a moderator is a link between the administrator and users during the "conflict" or claims a moderator should be neutral in any circumstance, which is far from being the case for some of them.

it is sorely lacking in monitoring displays errors, by cons, the updates are rumors very quickly, is this normal?


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Old 25-02-2012, 23:38   #9
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Dear Ariminium,

why do you complain about the moderators in the french forum at all, even calling them dictators?
As long as you have the freedom to celebrate one of the most well known and obvious mixes, www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?p=423819&langid=7
in your forum, your complaints seem ridiculous to me.

Michael

I am at your disposal a copy of the map of LOF géméthoués wolves of Ostrevent:
recognized by his parentage DNA test proving that mom and dad are good:
Demoniak diamond is well recognized champion of France in 2011 by the French authorities as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CBIE and other)
rumors are references to various allegations all stupider than false as to the authorship of Demoniak,
of our moderators and administrators after it has three different fathers, American, German, French, a nice cocktail gene.
Now I place here the photo of the wolves géméhtoués Ostrevent and show me how this bitch is not Czechoslovakia, if one refers to the standard, there is no evidence to the contrary.
I accept the words "atypical" and "different", I am proud as a private owner to make my dog ​​like Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, like the other three.
I am also proud to present it in competition for his confirmation, and many other competitions in France and Europe.


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