Communism - what you think about it?

[Morian]

but we still need visas (instead of the mentioned permissions)

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

but we still need visas (instead of the mentioned permissions)

Before there were permissions AND visas to most countries. Now, within the Schengen zone - none! I know young people take this right for granted, but for somebody of my generation - it's kind of a miracle.

[Silvester]

Originally posted by Rona:
"I know young people take this right for garanted, but for somebody of my generation - it's kind of a miracle. "

Yes Rona that´s very true what you tell - things have become much, much better in the last two decades. ( Just inside Schengen-zone, as already told.)
But still I need a visum if I want to travel for example to Russia - or to USA also...

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Silvester

But still I need a visum if I want to travel for example to Russia

and we need visas for eu normal

[Morian]

but we still need visas, you don't
i know only that our family never had such problems with travels and permisions. each epoch and each power has its own positive and negative aspects. an absolute evil (like absolute good of course) exists only in myths. that's why i wonder every time when i see too categorical opinions. they look too stulid i can say i lived in romania and spoke with many people from there. and many of them even miss past times (i don't mean new generations which saw soviet times only on tv). also my grandmother was estonian, but i never heard any bad thing about ussr from her, there were let's say normal discussions - we discuss the same problems now, nothing exceptional... i don't protect soviets etc., i just want to say that nobody knows what your children or grandchildren will tell about nowdays. maybe they will use all the same words like occupation, poverty and inequality

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

but we still need visas, you don't

Yes, I know and this should be changed asap.

Originally Posted by Morian

i know only that our family never had such problems with travels and permisions. each epoch and each power has its own positive and negative aspects.

You don't have to tell me this I know there were lots of positive aspects of living in those times - really free education, much less polluted envirnoment, less competitive and 'commercial' relations among people, etc. I was a student in the 70-ties and had fantatstic time hiking in the mountains almost for free; sight-seeing in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, meeting many warm and hospitable people everywhere we went.

But on the other hand, as a child I was unable to visit my British grandma with both of my parents - one of them had to stay in the country to guarantee that the other will bring me back . Every citizen was suspected of potential law-breaking, we had to lie at school in history lessons, etc. etc. I don't miss that at all.

[Morian]

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

True I call it "MacGyver education model"

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

i didn't tell it personally for you, but for the people who curse "occupants" etc. i see same effects from eu and many people damn it too, and what?

Morian, how many members of your family were killed, taken to Siberia or had to run away from soviets?

What was this topic about anyway?

[Morian]

vaiva, another question - have you lived in those times you hate so much? i don't want to continue this discussion here, just afraid to offend someone

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

What was this topic about anyway?

This topic is about all the countries which are dishonest. Limited only to 'poor' ones.