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Old 07-06-2011, 01:19   #1
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il est 00h43 et qu'est ce que je vois sur FACEBOOK une moderatrice de WD qui invite les gens à venir polemiquer sur une couleur de chien "non conforme" venant de chez nous et bien sur .......... en première ligne dans le post.... martial qui balance la photo, fièrement ...... sans autorisation il faut l'avouer ........ qui est foutteur de merde????? si c'est ça être moderateur, si c'est ça respecter les gens sur ce forum.......
lorry n'a rien caché , alors pourquoi l'emmerder aussi sur facebook ???

dis franchement martial, on dit à tout le monde que tu fais reproduire du D/D ........ que tes lignées sont porteuses de nanisme avec tout ce que cela engendre sur facebook ??????? NON ......... toi le defenseur de cette belle race qu'est le CLT .... toi le defenseur de cette belle race qu'est le CLT ......... PATHETIQUE ........
I do not know why you involve Martial to this but one you must know: Edit HAS THE RIGHT to know what is going on on Wolfdog. It is not nice to talk "behind the back of a breeder" who for sure do not read the French forum and almost for sure do not read the English version. Now she is informed about it - she has the choice to explain the whole situation. Or she can hide and it will be cleared without her help.
It doesn't matter if she is "quilty" or not. But everything must be done on a fair way...

And last but not least: we do not speak about "different colour" but about the fact that there are more and more Wolfdogs which are for 1000% mixes. Best example are the photos of the dogs from www.langegardien.info - there is NO WAY that the dogs are (pure) Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Sure some of them have longer hair inheritated from the mother (such hair is common in this line). But the rest show signs of huskies and GSD mixes. I really hope that Yanatos is not the real father of this litter because if it is true than you have HUGE and SERIOUS problems in your country because the puppies are MUTTS (MIXES). Thanks God that there are still breeders which want to solve this problem...
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:35   #2
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I do not know why you involve Martial to this but one you must know: Edit HAS THE RIGHT to know what is going on on Wolfdog. It is not nice to talk "behind the back of a breeder" who for sure do not read the French forum and almost for sure do not read the English version. Now she is informed about it - she has the choice to explain the whole situation. Or she can hide and it will be cleared without her help.
It doesn't matter if she is "quilty" or not. But everything must be done on a fair way...

And last but not least: we do not speak about "different colour" but about the fact that there are more and more Wolfdogs which are for 1000% mixes. Best example are the photos of the dogs from www.langegardien.info - there is NO WAY that the dogs are (pure) Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Sure some of them have longer hair inheritated from the mother (such hair is common in this line). But the rest show signs of huskies and GSD mixes. I really hope that Yanatos is not the real father of this litter because if it is true than you have HUGE and SERIOUS problems in your country because the puppies are MUTTS (MIXES). Thanks God that there are still breeders which want to solve this problem...
avant de condamner qui que ce soit ........ renseignez vous directement chez l'eleveur et demandez les test de parenté
une fois eclairci c'est à l'eleveur de faire ce qu'il faut pour regler ce problème, ce n'est pas à vous tous de speculer sur tel ou tel élevage français ..... et NON, les eleveurs français n'ont pas plus de chiens tarés qu'ailleurs..... mais d'autres le cache ......
on a tous des cadavres dans le placard ..... il suffit parfois de chercher un peu ......
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avant de condamner qui que ce soit ........ renseignez vous directement chez l'eleveur et demandez les test de parenté
une fois eclairci c'est à l'eleveur de faire ce qu'il faut pour regler ce problème, ce n'est pas à vous tous de speculer sur tel ou tel élevage français ..... et NON, les eleveurs français n'ont pas plus de chiens tarés qu'ailleurs..... mais d'autres le cache ......
on a tous des cadavres dans le placard ..... il suffit parfois de chercher un peu ......
I can not ask it - only members of your kennel club can do it. In my country I would do it after I would see even ONE puppy which is looking so strange. And I hope it will be done as soon as possible also here...
If the test will say that the parents are Asia and Yarl you must also test these both dogs... Because the puppies are not Wolfdogs for sure... this is simple not possible...
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I can not ask it - only members of your kennel club can do it. In my country I would do it after I would see even ONE puppy which is looking so strange. And I hope it will be done as soon as possible also here...
If the test will say that the parents are Asia and Yarl you must also test these both dogs... Because the puppies are not Wolfdogs for sure... this is simple not possible...
l'eleveur en question a "montrer patte blanche" de son coté, a fait preuve de bonne foi d'aprés ce que nous savons.
maintenant cette erreur aux vues des photos de ELF prouvent qu'il y avait du CLS roux dans l'environement proche des chiens, si cela vient de là, lla solution est trouvée ....... que les choses soient faites dans les règles déjà ....... ce que vous faites c'est detruire des années de travail en discreditant un éleveur passionné , sur toute sa production, sur tout son travail, sur des années de sacrifice, ............ elle aurait trés bien pû ne rien dire, le cacher aux yeux de tous, et ce subterfuge n'aurait jamais vu le jour, si ça se trouve elle vient de rendre service à de nombreux éleveurs et proprietaires de CLT venant de cette lignée ........... ai-je tort ???? NON je ne crois pas, plutot que de l'incriminer on devrait la remercier de sa franchise ............. si ça se trouve, cela peut voir servir à VOUS aussi, voila ce que j'en pense, mais cela n'engage que moi bien sûr ..........
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l'eleveur en question a "montrer patte blanche" de son coté, a fait preuve de bonne foi d'aprés ce que nous savons.
maintenant cette erreur aux vues des photos de ELF prouvent qu'il y avait du CLS roux dans l'environement proche des chiens, si cela vient de là, lla solution est trouvée ....... que les choses soient faites dans les règles déjà ....... ce que vous faites c'est detruire des années de travail en discreditant un éleveur passionné , sur toute sa production, sur tout son travail, sur des années de sacrifice, ............ elle aurait trés bien pû ne rien dire, le cacher aux yeux de tous, et ce subterfuge n'aurait jamais vu le jour, si ça se trouve elle vient de rendre service à de nombreux éleveurs et proprietaires de CLT venant de cette lignée ........... ai-je tort ???? NON je ne crois pas, plutot que de l'incriminer on devrait la remercier de sa franchise ............. si ça se trouve, cela peut voir servir à VOUS aussi, voila ce que j'en pense, mais cela n'engage que moi bien sûr ..........
We say by us "True virtue is not afraid of criticism". I'm sure the innocent breeders will "win" with such topics because the DNA tests will prove that their dogs are purebreed and nobody can write about them that they are mixes. At the same time it is possible to "clean the air" - people start to talk, they start to write the hidden problems and it will be possible thanks to the DNA test to remove finally the mixes from our breed. Because one I can write for sure - THE UNTYPICAL WOLFDOGS ARE MIXES. Now it is only important to find our who and when cheated the pedigrees.... We must know which dogs must be removed as Wolfdog and which come from the "black listed" kennels but are real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs...
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We say by us "True virtue is not afraid of criticism". I'm sure the innocent breeders will "win" with such topics because the DNA tests will prove that their dogs are purebreed and nobody can write about them that they are mixes. At the same time it is possible to "clean the air" - people start to talk, they start to write the hidden problems and it will be possible thanks to the DNA test to remove finally the mixes from our breed. Because one I can write for sure - THE UNTYPICAL WOLFDOGS ARE MIXES. Now it is only important to find our who and when cheated the pedigrees.... We must know which dogs must be removed as Wolfdog and which come from the "black listed" kennels but are real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs...
le problème est à mes yeux :

imaginez que les parents soient les bons, que cette couleur soit vraiment un gène caché qui apparaisse maintenant......... que les gens sont de bonne foi, le mal est fait, on dira toujours de cet éleveur qu'il y a suspicion de croisement de CLS que la vérité soit faite ou non sous pretexte que VOUS et quelques autres aient pû à un certain moment posé un doute, ce doute restera posé, même en ayant prouvé le contraire, avant de jeter le discredit sur les uns et les autres, essayer de trouver "discrètement" ce que vous avancez, en justice on dit " présumé innocent jusqu'à preuve du contraire ....... et non pas présumé coupable, jusqu'à preuve du contraire .....
ce que vous ferez, c'est cacher la montagne derrière le tronc d'arbre ......... en focalisant sur ce problème qui peut être resolu simplement vous allez, indirectement faire peur aux éleveurs prochains qui à la présence d'un soucis similaire, cacheront tout simplement les petits "ratés" d'une de leur portée pour ne pas finir sur l'echafeau de vos médisances destructrices ........ voila ce que vous avez gagné ..... non pas la vérité, mais le fait que vous ne serez jamais au courant des prochains "soucis" de portées ........... un petit roux serait né chez vous, en toute honêteté, l'auriez vous annoncez si clairement ???? au yeux et aux vues de tous et toutes???? je ne crois pas .........

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I do not know why you involve Martial to this but one you must know: Edit HAS THE RIGHT to know what is going on on Wolfdog. It is not nice to talk "behind the back of a breeder" who for sure do not read the French forum and almost for sure do not read the English version. Now she is informed about it - she has the choice to explain the whole situation. Or she can hide and it will be cleared without her help.
It doesn't matter if she is "quilty" or not. But everything must be done on
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If this is not Martial which has taken the photo on my site (as it has done to bring it to WD without my permission) and that this decision comes by you, I beg of remove immediately .....

1 ° We do not talk behind your back to the breeder, I can assure you she is well aware of posts that are on WD, as the owner also Galiba

2 It is not necessary to take a photo belonging to me to prevent the breeder, all that long ago that she has received several of my hand ....

3 ° I clearly explained that the photos were visible on my site, but I did not want to see copied in other media (or other forums)
If you want to bring Ms. Molnar to react, you can already write him or call him ..... I do not see how, take a picture belonging to me without my permission will accelerate the process

I want more then you one last time: Please immediately remove the photo you are permitted to publicly display WITHOUT MY PERMISSION !

Facebook is not Wolfdog!!

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[quote=Lorry - MLS;383531]1 ° We do not talk behind your back to the breeder, I can assure you she is well aware of posts that are on WD, as the owner also Galiba[/img]

Look, I do not attack you. I'm really grateful that you decided tio publish it. Because now we can solve this problem and find the reasons for it... I just wanted to be sure that Edit really knows about it. If there will be no reaction from her side it will be also an answer...

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I want more then you one last time: Please immediately remove the photo you are permitted to publicly display WITHOUT MY PERMISSION !

Facebook is not Wolfdog!!
Facebook takes photos automatically when you put a link. But I was able to edit it and force facebook to put another photo there.
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Look, I do not attack you. I'm really grateful that you decided tio publish it. Because now we can solve this problem and find the reasons for it... I just wanted to be sure that Edit really knows about it. If there will be no reaction from her side it will be also an answer....

Edit Molnar, as I said is perfectly aware .....

Similarly, if she herself does not read English or spontaneously Forum French Forum, dare to believe that over the past four days, none of his acquaintances (friends or other farmers) would have warned of what is said ?? Let's be serious!

Even during the SVP of Samorin, she pretended not to recognize me, so I bought her 4 dogs in 2 years ! she deliberately avoided contact print from my discussions with the organizers on the boat (you know this place, so you know what I mean) ....

Whatever you do not attack me as you say !
I clearly stated that I did not want to use my photos without my permission
Martial Ribouet, has already done, to put WD on ......
You, you continue to put on Facebook! .....

You say bravo to the fact that I wanted to be transparent ....
Well, I just ask you to respect my wishes in regard to my photos

Simply follow this, it is very simple and there is no trying to find arguments against
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I do not know why you involve Martial to this but one you must know: Edit HAS THE RIGHT to know what is going on on Wolfdog. It is not nice to talk "behind the back of a breeder" who for sure do not read the French forum and almost for sure do not read the English version. Now she is informed about it - she has the choice to explain the whole situation. Or she can hide and it will be cleared without her help.
It doesn't matter if she is "quilty" or not. But everything must be done on a fair way...
I would like to inform you that since you wrote these words Edith visited the forum several times and read all the topics. But she wrote nothing. Do you have still any doubts that the Saarloos-CsW mixes by Crying Wolf were a MISTAKE?
I do not...

I doubt if the hungarian Kennel Club will do anything with it as it seems that Edith have very good connecton with officials there. But i hope at least the Slovakian or Czech Club will try to solve the problems as the (possible) Saarloos-mixes are already also in their countries...
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I would like to inform you that since you wrote these words Edith visited the forum several times and read all the topics. But she wrote nothing.
Je traduis pour ceux qui ne comprennent pas l'anglais ceci sont les mots de nptre admin. inconnu : "Je voudrais vous informer que depuis que vous avez écrits tout ceci (sous entendu l'affaire des mix) Edith (Crying wolf) a visitée le forum plusieurs fois et a lue tous les sujets. Mais elle n'a rien écrit"

Alors là c'est le ponpon, ainsi l'admin avoue qu'il surveille les faits et gestes de qui il veut sur ce forum. Il surveille la venu sur le forum et les sujets qu'on lit pfff de plus en plus lamentable. La dictature est vraiment une valeur bien ancrée chez eux.... aux 21ème siècle c'est interpellant ne trouvez vous pas.

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J'espère que ce n'est pas une découverte pour certains d'entre vous aujourd'hui que ceux à la tête de ce site et forum peuvent techniquement lire tout ce qu'ils veulent, MP y compris et tirer n'importe quelle stats de n'importe quel membre.

Gardez en tête que si vous échangez des "secrets" par MP, ce ne sont que des "secrets de polichinelles" ...
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J'espère que ce n'est pas une découverte pour certains d'entre vous aujourd'hui que ceux à la tête de ce site et forum peuvent techniquement lire tout ce qu'ils veulent, MP y compris et tirer n'importe quelle stats de n'importe quel membre.

Gardez en tête que si vous échangez des "secrets" par MP, ce ne sont que des "secrets de polichinelles" ...
entièrements d'accord !!! n'empêche un jour, beaucoup de monde fuira ce forum.... c lamentable au final !!
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je rejoint Rod sur ce point
je suis moderateur sur un forum,il est vrai qu'il y a des possibilités,mais on est pas obligé de s'en servir

moi je trouve surtout interressant qu'il trouve assez de temps pour venir surveiller ce qui se dit ici!
a croire que cela interresse bien plus de monde qu'on pourrait croire!!!
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Merci pour ta video Rod cetait genial! ! Ton loulou est magnifique!! Je comprend mieux pourquoi tu nas pas besoin de CLT :-)
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trés jolie ptite nana cette synek, merci pour la vidéo!!
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More about the mystery of the "wolfish" dogs:

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18997
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les tests pourraient ils devenir obligatoires

must the test be Compulsory? sorry for my English
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Je traduis pour ceux qui ne comprennent pas l'anglais ceci sont les mots de nptre admin. inconnu : "Je voudrais vous informer que depuis que vous avez écrits tout ceci (sous entendu l'affaire des mix) Edith (Crying wolf) a visitée le forum plusieurs fois et a lue tous les sujets. Mais elle n'a rien écrit"
Je me marre ! ça confirme parfaitement ce que j'ai toujours affirmé, à savoir que cette éleveuse SAVAIT parfaitement de quoi il était question sur le Forum et que ce n'était pas la peine de prendre ce motif, ("soit disant la prévenir" dixit Margo), pour prendre une photo de mon Site (sans mon autorisation) et la diffuser sur Facebook, pour illustrer son débat personnel !

J'ai toujours affirmé qu'elle était parfaitement au courant ....
J'ai eu des échanges de mails avec elle à ce sujet....d'autres personnes également ont eu des contacts avec elle à ce propos ....

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Alors là c'est le ponpon, ainsi l'admin avoue qu'il surveille les faits et gestes de qui il veut sur ce forum. Il surveille la venu sur le forum et les sujets qu'on lit pfff de plus en plus lamentable. La dictature est vraiment une valeur bien ancrée chez eux.... aux 21ème siècle c'est interpellant ne trouvez vous pas.

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Oh my God. someone is looking too much BigBrother....
Administrator can see who is online and which part the person is looking at.
NO - I can not read your mind. NO, I can not read your private messsages. NO, I can not break in to your computer.
I just use this what every moderator can see... Even you - if you look on the main forum http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/index.php you can see who is online. I can see also were is this person on forum...

I hope the mistery and next conspiracy theory is solved now...
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