Differences in breeding strategies and regulations

[massimo]

My first reaction in reading a series of ignorant sentences was to reply in a hard and bad way.
Then I thought about it and I understood how poor knowledge you have of anything you are writing about and how poor respect of what you ignore you have and what a high opinion you have about yourself and your opinions...
Response? poor Mr or Mrs Neufi-friend...entering the "world" of wolfdogs not knowing anthing about it and trying to give moral judgements about it.
Some simple and silly examples:

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

You are wrong while You write it is not YOUR problem since English forum is a place when breeders from all countries meet and the forum where users are dealing with all kind of problems, it is also the right place for my question. It is not about problem in my country but a problem of breeders who do not keep to the kennel club regulations in their countries. And if the regulation ask you to skip the heat you have to do this.

If something is forbidden in germany and not in Italy, and I personally don't think it is a big issue (2 puppies withing 12 months or 2 puppies within 11 months) I simply think German law is too "tight" and doesn't take in account each breed.

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

And Your try to absolve abusing of the females is for me incomprehensible.

Abusing of females is making her have puppies after 11 months and not 12? are you serious? are you crazy? do you want examples of abuse on dogs??

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

From the other side what I took the look on the dogs you own and listed I must admit that you have a very weird kind of choosing the breeders. I'm not familiar with TWH but I know your kennel names since all are pretty "famous" on this forum. And even if only 50 percent of the facts written by Michael about the mass production of puppies by Passo del Lupo and health and character problems in this kennel or the story about Crying wolf written by Christian after he took Myla: about very poor conditions and puppies growing up in rabbit cages in this kennel I would say openly I will never made the choice like you while choosing the puppies.

This one is really nice:
You quote one person, my friend Christian, and take him as a reference when he speaks bad about Crying wolf and then you take Michael's words about mass production/health/character about Passo del lupo kennel and then speak bad a bout Zlata Palz!!!
that is really weird.
1) do you know Michael?
2) do you know Christian?
3) have you visited Crying wolf kennel?
4) have you visited Passo del lupo Kennel?
5) has Micheal visited Passo del lupo Kennel?
All 5 points I can reply YES... and very well....
I doubt it...
Passo del lupo Characters:
Oliver Passo del lupo: my dog... do you have any idea of his character?
Ask around... 99.9% of wolfdogs are much more shy than he is...
Of course... I don't like their mass production, but no other dog you know is better fed or in better hygenic conditions.

Zlata Palz abuse their females:
well... I tell you what I saw: 4 females living inside the house freely as if they were the owners of the house.
Puppy litter growing up near the bed of the breeders
One of the females slept on the bed with me (not sure if that is abuse on dog or on me!)
One male... one of the best characters of CSW dogs around... and it's not just thanks the dog's bloodline.

Crying Wolf:
Edit Molnar is a friend, a good friend since many years.
Many times I don't agree with her breeding plans.
I know she loves her dogs
I've been many times in her kennel.
Rabbit cages??
I've been many times in her kennel.
I saw Myla when she was less than 2 months old (before Christian...)
NO RABBIT CAGES.
One woman, 4 fences, various dogs turnover to be free in the fences several times per day. 90% of Edit's time is dedicated to her dogs.
I am sure you would have problems only with 1 wolfdog...
Of course... people like me, Sonja Bognarova, Hana Kaufmanova who trusted Edit leaving their dogs in her kennel must be very stupid.
Or maybe not?

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

I do not care about any stories about quality, or missing quality, of the dogs coming from both kennels but purely about the conditions. While buying puppies you pay money which force the breeders to produce more and more dogs who are being abused in this way. And indirectly the puppy buyers like you are also responsible for the poor life the poor dogs lead there.

you are right... I am a bad puppy buyer... maybe also bad owner... maybe also bad person...
At least people know how and what I am.... AND YOU?

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

Since last few days I will also not recommend Zlata Palz but as far I can see it fits to your preferences. I can understand you will protect it because if you would not agree with the kind of treating animals in the three listed kennels you would also not buy a puppy from them.

Aristoteles wouldn't have been able to create a better sentance...
there is no comment to be done on this one. It replies on it's own.

Originally Posted by Neufi-friend

But I hope you also understand that for many other dog owners the life of animals and conditions in which they are living and the way they are threated are more important than the pedigree, puppies and money.

Oh my god... do you know how my dogs live? do you have any idea?
I could make some examples that would make you shiver and make you wish all breeders were like the ones you speak so bad about...

anyway...all wasted words... to an anonymous being.
Massimo

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by massimo

One of the females slept on the bed with me (not sure if that is abuse on dog or on me!)

Massimo

It was abuse of the bed, Baschka is not allowed on it (but takes every opportunity.

Greetings Ina (and Baschka)

[massimo]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

It was abuse of the bed, Baschka is not allowed on it (but takes every opportunity.

Greetings Ina (and Baschka)

You're getting old Ina....memory is leaving you.. it was not Baschka but the "different" one... Amie!

Funny... when I slept at Christian's place Myla slept on my bed!

oh the girls cannot resist me!

massimo

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Well i didn´t join in the bed so I don´t know exactly.

Only the four legged ones?