Mixes in 'La Louve Blanche' kennel?

[Backman]

HI LUPIS on the picture of Dream Wolf above, he is about 4 months old, so I do not think it is the right time of dogs age to judge what he will be like as grown up. so when he is all grown up and you still think he looks like a husky..*hihi* you can tell me..
Who are you? who are you to judge my dogs, I love my dogs,they are the best I have!
And I trust Frank, and just to prove you are all wrong I will take DNA test to prove Crying Wolf Volos is father to Dream Wolf.
I think this is really ridicoulus.
Take good care of your own dogs instead and give them all your time, and not put all your energy surfing on the net to blame other breeders.

Jenny ,Finland

[Wolfsirius]

Maybe in this foto above C'Pouchka have something similarity in exterior with Vorss? http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7424

-Suski

[mijke]

It is indeed very similar

Of course everybody can see the differences in the C litter.
But…… theoretical it is always possible to have different types in one litter.
Also in this data base you can find more examples of different types in one litter

see for example Iary and Icky:

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Backman

And I trust Frank, and just to prove you are all wrong I will take DNA test to prove Crying Wolf Volos is father to Dream Wolf.
I think this is really ridicoulus.

I believe the father can be Volos.. but the mother? You can proof that th emother is really her.. but is her a pure CzW?
That's the question.

I'm sorry you trusth Frank, I will never trusth a breeder that have such actitud.

Originally Posted by Mijke

see for example Iary and Icky:

If you see hole litter have some little differences, biggest difference in Iary is the coat, you can find some pbrothers with differents coat leght, but look the body and head, is pretty similar to all brothers and sisters, as they all have at little bit of tipicity for the breed at least.

[elf]

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

[Jennin Lauma]

What is the name of the blond dog in the upper picture?
Is it in the Databace?

EDIT: OK, I found it myself
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11409

This one is also a half sibling then..?

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10636

[elf]

Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

This one is also a half sibling then..?

Exactly.
We have tons of "weird" things from this "line"...

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by elf

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

In other words these two dogs are supposedly almost as closely related as half siblings, huh?

[saschia]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

In other words these two dogs are supposedly almost as closely related as half siblings, huh?

Wouldn't that be full siblings? As full siblings can share from 0 to 100 DNA, than the average is 50% for full siblings. Half-sibling can share maximum 50% DNA, in average 25%.

[admin]

Originally Posted by elf

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

No wonder about the anomalies by this kennel. If someone is mixing American Wolfdogs he will take exactly such "strange" results which are the best prove for the cheated pedigrees.

[admin]

As it seems some people in France are incredibly interested to hide the truth and avoid the OFFICIAL DNA parentage tests I post the same post as I published on the French forum.

I know that the title is hard but it is also true... SAD but true. This time it is 100% serious - it do not base on the "different look on the photos" but on the facts. First time I received an email about it I ignored it - I didn't believe that somebody would be so crazy to break the FCI rules and cheat the pedigrees. But now the proves are in the front of your eyes.

I was explaining why so many people from different countries were complaining to put the words MIX next to the all "wolfish" and "untypical" dogs. I listed all their arguments like untypical look, bodies, heads, masks, size, expressions... Even people who were "simple owners" knew that something is "stinking". Now we have people who are prepared to sign their words ON A PAPER when your kennel club will ask for witnesses.

As you for sure know in Europe there are several breeders and owners of American Wolfdogs (usually Malamute/Husky/German Shepherds/Tundra Wolf mixes). And exactly such wolfdogs were used to make the "wolfish" looking Wolfdogs in France. AND exactly it is the reason why there are more and more TOTALLY UNTYPICAL Wolfdogs born in your country: First generations (CsW x American Wolfdog) are pretty nice - not typical for our breed but nice. But in the next generation the genes divide and make in many cases such totally untypical GSD-Husky looking dogs like the half-sister of Demoniak. Simply said: the nice wolfish dogs and the strange mixes are nothing also as TOTAL MUTTS: CsW-Husky-Malamute-Germans Shepherd-Tundra Wolf Mixes... Or shorter said: THEY ARE NOT CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS.

But back to the facts:

- C-litter de la Louve Blanche
We have wittiness and the confirmation of the American Wolfdog owner that the French breeder covered his female with his stud dog Unca Southern Breeze . We do not know if the all litter are mixes or the female Ossa CRying Wolf was covered by two males - Merlin AND Unca. Or the whole litter comes from Unca. But FOR 100% Ckinay and C'Pouschka are the children of the mentioned American Wolfdog:





- D-litter de la Louve Blanche
We know that the male Volos Crying Wolf covered an American Wolfdog female. The owner of the female is unreachable - no wonder: he is the friend of the French breeder. What we do not know if it apply to the whole litter or only some puppies come from the American Wolfdog.

This is not everything as there is a huge possiblity (and because there are more dogs comming from this kennel showing untypical characterustics) that there are more litters cheated like this. And more dogs can have fake parents in the pedigree.


What is our goal: WE ASK THE FRENCH BREEDERS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND THE FRENCH KENNEL CLUB TO MAKE FINALLY THE DNA TESTS.
We suggest to test CPouschka as first (because her parents are still alive - at least we hope they will not "disappear" or "die" after this post) - we know for 100% that she is daughter of Unca and the DNA test will prove it. If you need any written statement of someone who will confirm it - we have such people. I hope it will convince you that very bad things are going on here.

[furyos]

congratulations >> new version movie in kennel lalouve blanche .. after saarloos/nordik dog and pure wolf .... NOW american wolfdog in blood line ... when chihuahua???>>> WAOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i love the anonumous admin >>> colombo have a lot of work to do the same ... just ONE WORD ... thanks for your NICE PUBLICITY ,,, 3 reservation today for my next litter after your topic in france and here .. welcom dear admin ... your franky for your life....take care and best regards from essaouirra (maroco)

[admin]

Originally Posted by furyos

congratulations >> new version movie in kennel lalouve blanche .. after saarloos/nordik dog and pure wolf .... NOW american wolfdog in blood line ... when chihuahua???>>> WAOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i love the anonumous admin >>> colombo have a lot of work to do the same ... just ONE WORD ... thanks for your NICE PUBLICITY ,,, 3 reservation today for my next litter after your topic in france and here .. welcom dear admin ... your franky for your life....take care and best regards from essaouirra (maroco)

No problem. Now we wait for the official DNA tests. There is no doubt that the dogs are mixes. It will be sad for the new owners to see "Saarloos alike MIX" in the near future by their dogs.

For the buyers: they really do not know that such mixes they can easy get for a much lower price?