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20-06-2011, 19:47 | #141 | |
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but realy reproductor owner all time want a DNA test and have later easy antswer who is who. |
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20-06-2011, 20:28 | #142 | |
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My concern is that Pollux (Yolka's son) exhibits some Saarloos behavior - I've never denied that he's large or rather skittish. We never attributed his size to anything and thought his temeprament was from enviroment and not genetic. Genetics (especially recessive genetics) tend to pop up in grandchildren which is what Pollux would be to the sire in question (Issar). We have to Yolka children in this country (both from the P litter) and if there is mix in there we'd need to know quickly before they're in the gene pool here in the USA - it would be devastating to the breed if we have to take many dogs out of the breeding pool ~10 years from now because of this. Our gene pool here is already very small and I'm sure people can understand the concern that I have over this. It wasn't a matter of trust, I just missed her post.
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20-06-2011, 20:38 | #143 | |
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20-06-2011, 20:53 | #144 | |
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I'm also trying to make sure I have the right person who owns Partha before I start to talk to them.
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20-06-2011, 23:02 | #145 |
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While 68 cm is very unusual and certainly I think there are some other untypical features from the Y litter, I guess it's not totally impossible to believe Issar's genetics could have contributed to the height. These dogs, also coming from the lines of Ada Kollorav Dvor, also had unusually (at least to me) tall height:
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7446 http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/9857 http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/5187 http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1919 http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1339
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20-06-2011, 23:24 | #146 | |
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http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7663 Yes, they seem to be tall, but height in cases, mentioned before, is not the only feature... |
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21-06-2011, 00:29 | #147 | |
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But I don't understand what is wrong about the higher height since there is no limitation in the standard regarding the maximum height? |
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21-06-2011, 00:34 | #148 | |
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In this forum it was said that height can also be a sign of a Saarlos mix - together with other features. |
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21-06-2011, 00:41 | #149 |
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If I understand correctly, it's puzzling because the bitches in many of CWs breedings barely make the minimum height requirement, and then suddenly there are very tall females from the same lines..
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21-06-2011, 00:49 | #150 |
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statistic say all
CSV are breed who size are this : male about 67-68 cm female about 62-63 cm this size have almost 80 % ( maybe and moore this better can say elf) dogs in this breed and this size are typical, yes are biger and smaler dogs, but we not can say "CSV are 74 cm size breed" when in statistic this size dogs born have very smal % sarlos are others - they are biger in standart and biger dogs born in % too. |
21-06-2011, 06:40 | #151 |
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Hi Marcy,
you can 100% belive Afaia,Bonifác, Hagga , Farry and Citka are 100% pure czech. wolfdogs. This size is standart size. |
21-06-2011, 07:51 | #152 | |
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p.s. but one thing - in FCI standart when read moore ( not only about CSV but others too) size are about 5 cm diferent for male and female like example if male are 60-65 cm female be 55-60 cm Last edited by wolfin; 21-06-2011 at 08:06. |
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21-06-2011, 08:26 | #153 | |
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I know Yolka and I know several Saarlos-Mixes, she doesn´t look like one and she doesn´t behave like one. I know for sure that Juri mated Yolka and that she was seperated from other males at this time. The behaviour you decribe from Pollux is pretty common in CSW with his history. A history that started with an 38 hours oversea flight and changing place in a sensible period several times. Saarlos by the way are useless in Schutzhund, not really protectiv and I have never seen one track. Juri is 72 cm of high, Lorenz Farouk Arimminum is 70 cm, and our bitches tend to produce males with the lowest high of 68 cm till now, they are all big. If you need an DNA-Test I am very sure that Mariana the owner of Juri will make one for you and I am also pretty sure that Edit will let one have done in for example the Vet Clinik in Budapest if you request one. So I think it is time to calm down a little bit. I have seen some of the questionable dogs of the Louve de la Louve Blanche kennel and also would be more than interested in an OFFICIAL DNA test, I also would think DNA profiles would be a good thing in general, but I personally don´t think Crying wolf has been involved in this. If they are mixes parents have been exchanged in France, not in Hungary. Size is no proof for mixes, a total change of look in sibblings of different litters or nordic wolf faces or changes in colour is. Regards Ina Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 21-06-2011 at 11:10. |
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21-06-2011, 08:51 | #154 | |
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At this point we maybe should stop and think a little bit about what we are hopping on here. A virtual person has thrown in an idea basing on some photos. looking especially on the photo with the weak Saarlos impression I had to grin, I know one Czech female - of her origin I have no doubt at all - that looks exacly the same, apart from a totally untypical head. Ina |
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21-06-2011, 09:21 | #155 | |
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I am very disappointed and sad - to read something here. I'll still take a DNA test-TODAY!!! And all other tests which we need for the future Juris' children. And to support the work from some few peoples in in the different clubs - and to support the healthy development and future of OUR Dogs. lg Mariana |
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21-06-2011, 09:38 | #156 |
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Well I start to feel a bit sorry to run this topic because there are a lot of deviations written here, let me remind the context:
- the french breeder has 3 red puppies born (she was in the past Saarloos breeder so know very well the topic), she asked help from Edit which refuse everything and at a meeting in Italy even pretended not to know the french breeder. The french breeder has a part of his kennel ruined because cannot trust anymore on the line choosen (she could also play blind, but did not, you know if such symtomatic event cannot be cleared all we will gain is breeders worldwide will be conforted playing blind next time), it is not fair and this thread is the reaction. We all know that high level regulation would solve a lot, I guess we all know that this will never happened anytime soon or even happend one day, so we need to find out what's going on case by case with the little ways we have left.
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http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html Last edited by elf; 21-06-2011 at 09:45. |
21-06-2011, 10:12 | #157 | |
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21-06-2011, 13:02 | #158 | |
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We are also working hard to get his true temeprament out, we've seen peeks of the CsV he could be. Yes, his trip here was far from optimal and I'm sure it scarred him.
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21-06-2011, 13:21 | #159 | |
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and regards to Juri from my |
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21-06-2011, 16:45 | #160 | |
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very important and I hope is more to follow... Today I have ordered Laborklin to create a DNA profile of Juri. Also for the future Juri's (Zlata Palz) blood is stored at laborklin and it is available for more test requests and - or - direct comparisons of his "children" ect....! Now DNA profile from Juri takes about 2-4 weeks. thanks and best greetings back from - juri sunshine |
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