World Dog Show 2011

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by r0d

http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

very thanks for this video - now I feel like I was in this show too. thanks

can I sharing links in ours forum too?

[r0d]

Of course you can
Tomorrow i will add more videos but i'll keep you informed.

[Morian]

thanks!!!
the only shock for me is that many handlers must hold dogs' heads between their legs to show teeth

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by r0d

Of course you can
Tomorrow i will add more videos but i'll keep you informed.

thanks, very good video - now all people can see who is who -temperament, movement, behaviour and dogs differences.

[Morian]

daiva, give please links to our videos too

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Morian

daiva, give please links to our videos too

if you say :

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/0/hIi6q7PY4ko

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/2/IjjcFSPlP50

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/3/GNIMqi197mU

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/4/CYwzq6k6stY

[Morian]

wondefrul
many dogs are out of standart as minimum in behavior, did anybody see disqualification?

[woland77]

Originally Posted by r0d

http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

: shock:

[yukidomari]

Thank you R0d for the videos!

Because of this I was able to watch my first World Dog Show, although only virtually.

I must say this is completely new to me and I am surprised at the differences in World Dog Show and national dog shows here.

Here if a dog does not stack (stand) straight to have its teeth checked (in the AKC, the judge will open the dogs' mouth and check), then it is unlikely this dog will be given any placement. It may be disqualified even. Must be glad that Vlcak is not counted in the Guardian breeds, where judge can count individually each tooth!

It was interesting to see that judges in WDS doesn't care if the dog is cowering, crawling next to owner's legs, or sitting when touched from the rear.

To me, this type of dog I would not bring to a show..obviously this dog is not enjoying him or herself in this environment, even if the dog is beautiful, lovely, physically typical.

I will bring another dog which likes exhibition and spare the one who hates it. It's better to show a confident dog, especially on the international world stage for all to see nice happy confident Vlcak.

Of course, I am only a novice at shows.

But when I see this show then I see something like Westminster 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOHjAKJJ38

to me I can only say: Make a better choice of which dogs to bring to international stage, and maybe take more handling practice or courses.. it was sad for me to see scared dogs which wouldn't even remain standing upright.

[woland77]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

To me, this type of dog I would not bring to a show..obviously this dog is not enjoying him or herself in this environment, even if the dog is beautiful, lovely, typical.

I'm complete agree with you...

[wolfin]

you both are only jelous like I too

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Morian

wondefrul
many dogs are out of standart as minimum in behavior, did anybody see disqualification?

They havent disqualified even a completetely atipical dog like the mixes who were there. We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun.
I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

They havent disqualified even a completetely atipical dog like the mixes who were there. We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun.
I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing.

True, but up to now I believed dogs in dog shows were made to be at least trained to be presentable..... Never mind type..

[Silvester]

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun."

Yeah, in principle, I agree to you - if these shows are not judged by a special judge for our race , I would like to add ! Sure, also special judges are not Jesus Christ and they can make mistakes ... But that can not be compared in any way to the results of dogshows which are judged by "non-specialists"! ( As we all are able to see .)

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing."

But what else can you choose to show the quality of your dog ?

There is no test on abilities and working quality at the moment , what is NEEDED to be made for Cwd ....and that´s a big mistake I think.

The 40km or 100 km test CAN be made but it need not be - as we all know. And even that would show only some physical qualities of the dogs but not the working abilities.

So what people can do , if they want to show their dogs quality??

In fact there are ONLY the show -results at the moment ... yeah, that´s a pity, no question !

May be the bonitation codes and the hd- results are a little more serious and tell more about the dog - but how many dogs have both ? So it should be a MUST that you have let made both for your dog before going to a show and before it´s possible to tell even anything about quality...!

Best greetings to Brazil, Uli alias Silvester

[woland77]

Many of those dogs have behavior test named TAN....what is this test???

dog like Wolwerine , which has more than fear, unease expressed by behaviors and postures quite different than other dogs (no dog behaviors and postures), how can you pass the test?

[hanninadina]

I am wondering about people like Uli, Eichhorn and some others. Dogshows work their whole "life" like they do now a days! There changed nothing! There were always "only" judges who judge the dogs. Some of them are special judges to a special breed but not necessarily they do the judgement during a world dog show or dog show!

And everybody who takes part or took part at a dog show knows that a dog mostly beahve different during each different show. Only these dogs who are well ring trained and have a great performer will do similar each show. But because of different halls, dogs, weather conditions, the mood of the owner, the mood of the dog handler, the mood of the dog himself etc. makes understandable that dogs perform different.

And a dog who is presented in a small special csw dog show with let us say only 45 dogs on a peaceful green outside a city - like our shows are done in germany - and in other countries too - will react and behave totally different to a dog during a world dog show with all his action and noise!

What I wanna say, it is of course a big stuning work that a dog, his owner and the dog handler do during for example a world dog show. And it does not matter if there is a special judge or not!!! Especially the csws are character strong animals and they can show their character in these shows.

It is very simple, if you do not take part the race it is your own problem, but do not claim that such results are bad and werth nothing. This is simply not true. I saw to many dogs which should be excellent standard csws (and other breeds) who were not able to do a good show in heavily circumstances! And what should this be a good looking csw in standard if he is not able to show his presense in a big show?

Best would be to present dogs in all shows! Only this matters and would be werth. Of course I know a lot of people who are afraid that their dogs are not able to manage even a normal judge. But what is it werth, if I only go to judges, who I like and where I know before how the result will be? It is nothing werth!!!

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

If you look on car or motorcyle raceways you will find raceways which are in very good condition and some who are in bad condition. If you wanna be a true champion, you have to be good on all conditions! Very simple, and not only in these where you all know. That is werth nothing.

So all my congratulations to winners and(!) participiants on the WW 2011 in Paris. And what is a result werth without the other participiants? Nothing! And if there are more and more participiants the result is werth even more! As someone wrote, the second biggest number of paticipiants of csws every!!! That is a word!

Christian

[Silvester]

Hey Christian !

Are you not able to see the direct contradictions in your posting ?

Or do you write without thinking about and especially without reading again after you did write something ?

[Max Paini]

r0f and Wolfin, thank you very much to post here link of the movie, they're really appreciate.
But I have a question, due to the reason that here all are speaking of the WDS, do you think it's possible to see some movie also about that or you have only movie of the day before? They could be appreciate to!!!
Thank you

Massimiliano

[r0d]

Max Paini: i'm not sure to understand your question but i have videos from friday and saturday.
It takes lot of time to upload each videos. I have approx 4 more videos to upload and hope to do this today (if Youtube decide to be nice with me ^^)

[saschia]

Chriastian, yes, world show is a big event, but did you see the one which took place in Bratislava? You could see a lot of wolfdogs that really reacted properly - were calm but not frozen, were able to react to the judge and to the watchers. And the show was cramped, as the space in exhibition center was less than planned for, so it was not something with 45 dog on a green lawn, it was stiock-full of dogs, people, children, even the President came, so you could really say that the conditions were quite extreme.

I agree with yukidomari - the judges, even if not expert, should judge the behavior too and disquilify improper behavior, unwillingness to show teeth etc. Of course, unfortunately lot of them are too afraid to even come closer and look into the mouth ;o).