Statistic work- info about broken tail

[wolfin]

Hi to alls,

I and me friend have a statistic works about this genetic diseas:
broken ( kinky, kink) tail syndrom.
Me intersing this info:
1. know dogs who have this defect ( have broken tail)?
2. have this dogs puppies? who be puppies tail?
3. who breeding FCI- "your country" society reguls say about this dogs defaults and breeding licension.

If You wish me help with statistic info and cann say dogs name who have this kink tail, I and me kolega be very glad for this help. You cann and send me PM or email - [email protected]

thanks for reply's

[Mikael]

It is so good to see that there is people that work and try to find out statistic of diseases on the CsV breed to try to keep it healthy in the future to

I wish you good luck and hope you get all the help you need.

And please tell us all about what you find out later

Best regards / Mikael

[Hanka]

Hello Daiva, please explain me: do you mean broked end of tail? Last a few cm? Or somewhere in half lenght of tail? Have you goto foto of it?

[wolfin]

Mikael thanks

Hanka, not important in who place be broken, if tail have broken - BONES broken, not anatomy J forma tail ( like GSD tail forma - without broken)- this dog be important to me info.
I see in CZ You writte in bonitation card about this broken tail - cann I oficial have this info from bonitation card? in Your club web site be very small % bonitation card.
Thanks

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I think there get some things mixed up, in a heriditary kinked tail the bones are not broken = fraktured but have an unphysiological form. You can get a kinked tail after a traumatic frakture but this of course is not hereditary.
Both has nothing to do with a tail that is carried not straight but with a bow in the end like in GSD.
I have never seen one in TWS, it is one thing that gets controlled of a VDH official in the age of 8 weeks and would get registered if xou would find it in a dog.

Ina

[wolfin]

Yes, this be diferent - eksterjer: J tail ( like GSD tail) and broken tail - this broken cann be when puppie born ( genetic diseas) and cann this see in this control thime ( 6-8 weeks ) but be info - dogs who have this genetic problem when be litter control have good tail, but latter in 5-8 monts hes tail be ... broken.
In Lithuania all litter have pupps control - bite, testicle, tail- this make special people who make tatoo and litter control, and to this be and club control ( see anatomy - be pupps normal or pet's class)
And me important have dogs who have this broken tail when be adult.

Thanks for all who have info and send me this.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I think there get some things mixed up, in a heriditary kinked tail the bones are not broken = fraktured but have an unphysiological form. You can get a kinked tail after a traumatic frakture but this of course is not hereditary.
Both has nothing to do with a tail that is carried not straight but with a bow in the end like in GSD.
I have never seen one in TWS, it is one thing that gets controlled of a VDH official in the age of 8 weeks and would get registered if xou would find it in a dog.

Ina

Sure, in this case a heriditary kinked tail is mentioned. In Lithuania, as far as I know, it is forbiden to use dogs with kinked tails in breeding, so it would be really important to know if such a problem with CsV exist or not.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I have never seen one in TWS, it is one thing that gets controlled of a VDH official in the age of 8 weeks and would get registered if xou would find it in a dog.

Yes, the tails are checked but I heard so far about some cases where dogs with kink tails are still used for breeding. For years the bredders explained such problems by the puppies as result of 'rough playing' and other 'accidents'... Now it is already visible there are heriditary reasons. Some dogs were already removed from breeding and we have at the moment lines with min 3. generations where the same problems appear.

Here you have similar case described by Brussels Griffons:
http://www.griffonplaza.com/Health/p...ge9/page9.html

What is the problem: it is visible this deformation is heriditary. And
When the deformity is limited to the tail then it has no influence on the dog’s life, he can be a happy dog. But when that happy dog is used, as a stud his “little defect” can become much more serious for his offspring. Not only to the tails but also in other parts of the spinal column.

If you know any dogs with this kind of problem please inform us or the administrator.
If you are breeder - please remember: puppies with kinky tails are PETS. Please do not use them for breeding.
If you are breeding comittee member - please pay attention to such kind of defomarations by the puppies which you check.

[wolfin]

this control are very strong in GSD. ALL pupps who have kinked tail are pet and have documents " not for breed" and this go from one generation tho others. ( LKD)
example bitch have kinked tail, she are mate with male and in pedigree be inbreed III-IV born 5 pupps. from this 5 one are with broken tail but can move, others are paralised to head, not can move.
Only good this be GSD litter, but WE have and CsW who have broken tail and go to breeding and theys pupps to have this kinked tail. who be later when this dog without control go to breed? we want paralised liters? or problems in vertebral column.
this can saw in 7-8 weeks without problem, first is touch, later make rtg and have this



this genetic broken - kinked tail and this dog are pet, not for breeding.
in all case mas make rtg and when have rtg we can say this is trauma or genetic. yes, can be and trauma, but not when are pupps in 7-8 weeks, and wolfdog have very strong anatomy for broken, and when owner say " oh this is trauma only" i not very want believe in this.

[wolfin]

p.s. when I and others LT judge have training in ours society, ours anatomy specialist and FCI judge and breeder say " broken tail - is disqualification faults from dog show and breeding" and not important who are breed ( only breeds who have in standart this broken tail like normal tail- buldog group)

and for all this is text from ours WD

http://www.wolfdog.org/nld/articles/1332.html

read this, this are realy important for breeding and dog healt, and not I only make " witch hunting" with this tail.

[Nebulosa]

I think we're searching for the wrong problem, its does not looks like kinked tail or crooked at the x-ray, but a hemivertebrae.

[wolfin]

this is the same problem - dog not for breed and not important who name this have we in lithuanian have only worts "luzusi uodega" -"broken tail" and who dogs have this are pet's and not go to breeding.
and when dog have normal traumatic broken tail, he not have this bones like in rtg.