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Old 12-10-2011, 13:56   #21
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Old 17-10-2011, 20:45   #22
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as you guys know,there are not many pure csv's and swh in the uk but still there are some.....the breed (csv)is not established in its own right and many people have not met a pure...but quite a few have met crosses(mixes)and own them....its become more and more apparent that some of these 'owners' call their dogs pure or vlcaks! ...when pushed and asked they explain what breed/types are in their dogs..so they do know that they do not own pure

i also know of a few dogs that were bought as pure and sold on as pure(not directly from the breeder) yet one look at the dog shows they are not(and also where they were originally bred)so these people do not even know what a wd should even look like let alone act like!

i feel its very damaging to the breed as these are not representatives of the BREED yet are being 'passed off' as such...but what can be done?...i fear not alot
between pacino wolf zone and lee church there has been 10 litters of pure bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs bred in the uk, with a total of 89 pure bred pups, so what ever are you blithering about now, you know much about nothing,,,,,,,pacino and wolfzone have between them imported 6 pure czech wolfdogs and have two coming in next month, pacino kennels have used two european czech wolfdogs to stud there bitchs producing new lines, so between pacino and wolf zone they have enough bloodlines to breed for at least 8 years,, all you people now talking the talk about the future of the czech wolfdogs in uk, first of all get your facts right then do something to help LIKE IMPORTING SOME DOGS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you want to know if a wolfdog is a pure bred or not instead of pissing off ronnie winder why dont you ask him all you need to do is give him name of breeder that is all as he will know if they can produce pure czechs,
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Old 17-10-2011, 20:51   #23
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My Girl was bought as pure and can be traced through WD but because of the CW thing we can never really be sure, I believe she is pure and think that Lee ( breeder) sold her in good faith, but in all honesty it is when we get back to the european breeder (CW) that there are doubts
if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,
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Old 17-10-2011, 22:53   #24
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if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,
Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?
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Old 17-10-2011, 23:33   #25
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between pacino wolf zone and lee church there has been 10 litters of pure bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs bred in the uk, with a total of 89 pure bred pups, so what ever are you blithering about now, you know much about nothing,,,,,,,pacino and wolfzone have between them imported 6 pure czech wolfdogs and have two coming in next month, pacino kennels have used two european czech wolfdogs to stud there bitchs producing new lines, so between pacino and wolf zone they have enough bloodlines to breed for at least 8 years,, all you people now talking the talk about the future of the czech wolfdogs in uk, first of all get your facts right then do something to help LIKE IMPORTING SOME DOGS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you want to know if a wolfdog is a pure bred or not instead of pissing off ronnie winder why dont you ask him all you need to do is give him name of breeder that is all as he will know if they can produce pure czechs,
what are u blathering on about i wasnt even talking about lee,wolfzone or mr winder

as for pissing him/you off...how have i?

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if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,
yes.... the hips perchance?
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Old 18-10-2011, 13:42   #28
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Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?
i know where they came from if thats what you mean, but as u are clever like the other dafts on this site then work it out for yourself, heres a clu, its to do with colouration genetics, bit like the white lady in USA that had twins one black one white same father, have look at old GSD lines as well,,,,, then go to the saarloos and work out how they became red as well,,,,,,, dooh...........i dont believe you people can not work this out,,,,,,very dissapointed that the normal know it all boofs have not worked it out yet,,,,,,,,
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Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?
learn about this breed, then learn about genetics, lets see if you can tell us all how the white saarloos came about and dont go down the lines x bred because it wasnt..........
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i know where they came from if thats what you mean, but as u are clever like the other dafts on this site then work it out for yourself, heres a clu, its to do with colouration genetics, bit like the white lady in USA that had twins one black one white same father, have look at old GSD lines as well,,,,, then go to the saarloos and work out how they became red as well,,,,,,, dooh...........i dont believe you people can not work this out,,,,,,very dissapointed that the normal know it all boofs have not worked it out yet,,,,,,,,
Unfortunately, color genetics have already been thoroughly discussed on an older thread but I can link you if you need. As Saarloos do not share the same breed heritage as csv, it makes sense why saarloos may be red but not csv.

I would like to learn more about the breed, so I try to live with, train, read about, mentor under, and experience the breed as much as I can. And refrain from simply becoming a producer with an over inflated sense of knowledge just because I've managed to put two dogs of opposite sexes together a few times. Thank you for your concern!
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Old 26-10-2011, 14:43   #31
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if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,
I will test her for peace of mind, and i 100% believe she is pure, but thanks anyway
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