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Old 24-02-2012, 17:03   #21
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Old 24-02-2012, 17:09   #22
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I'm not really interested in breeding or showing - I just want a happy healthy puppy that is a great example of the breed.
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Old 24-02-2012, 17:19   #23
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Old 24-02-2012, 17:23   #24
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I'm not really interested in breeding or showing - I just want a happy healthy puppy that is a great example of the breed.
Then I would just contact a breeder whoms dogs you admire and are health tested. The good thing is we no longer have quarantine in the UK making things so much simpler
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:00   #25
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I'm not really interested in breeding or showing - I just want a happy healthy puppy that is a great example of the breed.
That is a great attitude Murph Do your research on breeders, check out their lines and dogs and find someone you like and trust. You should always be able to get contacts of previous owners from a breeder so that you can check out what their 'post sales service' has been like too. Beware of breeders who don't offer you a lifetime support - they are the ones not interested in the puppy, just the colour of your money
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I'm not really interested in breeding or showing - I just want a happy healthy puppy that is a great example of the breed.
I understand you perfectly because that was my only concern too.

However in the specific situation of the breed in the UK any imported pup could apart from being "happy healthy example of the breed" also contribute to the breed registration. Why not use such a great opportunity.

Besides, vlcaks vary a lot one from another. It matters what looks and especially characters the parents of a particular litter have Some owners prefer active pups with strong personalities for sport and work, others might prefer pups of less independent parents. For one person big coat and small ears are important, for another - light body and good movement. Etc. etc. Some research into the breed before getting a dog is really advisable.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:13   #27
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I have been planning on getting a CsV for several years so have researched all I can. One thing I haven't done is researched Europesn breeders as I didn't regard importing as an option with older quarantine laws.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:34   #28
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I have been planning on getting a CsV for several years so have researched all I can. One thing I haven't done is researched Europesn breeders as I didn't regard importing as an option with older quarantine laws.
If the breeder bothers to care for intensive early socialisation it's not problem to get a really nice 15 week-old baby vlcak from FCI country now
Good luck in your search
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Old 24-02-2012, 20:04   #29
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If the breeder bothers to care for intensive early socialisation it's not problem to get a really nice 15 week-old baby vlcak from FCI country now
Good luck in your search
I agree with this! We just picked up 2 15-week'ish old puppies from Europe.. they are happy, outgoing, self assured.. and nearly housebroken.. next time I get a puppy, I will pick her up at this age too.. because the 10-15 week period for my first CSV was terrible..

Of course provided your breeder socializes them and not just keep them in a kennel somewhere!
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Old 24-02-2012, 20:14   #30
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I have been planning on getting a CsV for several years so have researched all I can. One thing I haven't done is researched Europesn breeders as I didn't regard importing as an option with older quarantine laws.
If you will deicide to make your plans happen and you will go for FCI registered dog, please, let us know. As you aware, we need 20 unrelated dogs with FCI pedigrees. If you think you could do something more for the breed in here, join our little club
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Old 25-02-2012, 13:23   #31
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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain has been an established group since 2011

We thank ‘wolf dog.org’ for giving the club chance to reply to the remarks made here.

We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins.
The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them.

This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility .

If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs?

Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers.
Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional?

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK.

The Club aims are to unite and then pursue Kennel Club Registration of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs

The Club also aims to:

Promote the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in the United Kingdom, bring together owners and future breeders and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed.

Keep a register of all litters eligible for registration until such time as the breed is recognised by the UK Kennel Club.

Keep accurate records of all health problems and temperament issues in the breed.

In addition to keeping a register of imported FCI registered Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, necessary to obtain KC recognition, the Club is also keeping a register of UK bred dogs that will be eligible for KC registration once the breed has been recognised.

Our Club has a agreed Constitution and Code of Ethics and the Committee grows stronger every day.

We as a Club have more important roles to play in promoting pure breeding and development of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK. We have no time or desire to troll the internet and discredit other groups on forums and social networks. Not like some members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ and wolf dog.org who purport themselves as guardians of the breed that troll the internet causing friction and have done zero to promote the breed only within secret societies, resulting only to discredit themselves as guardians.

Surely Admin and Moderators of this site should be clearer on facts before exasperating such a thread and misrepresenting our Club.

Wouldn’t it be more prudent for the wolf dog.org admin on this tread to give a unbias reply?

We hope this corrects the misrepresentation of our Club and of course welcome support from all members.
I just tried to visit your clubs web page but it was closed? it's a shame that there is already a divide in clubs and wouldn't it be better if you guys unite?
This will improve the chance of the breed getting recognition with the UK kennel club.
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Old 25-02-2012, 15:06   #32
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In an ideal world, think everybody would love to be able to unite and fight for recognition together. but the problem is that the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB has been founded and run by breeders who have used the CsV to create mixes to line their own pockets rather than to flourish and establish the breed here in the UK. how can the Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of UK, which is made up of people who are trying to protect the CsV and encourage pure breeding through trusted lines, agree with the practice of breeding mixes?
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Old 25-02-2012, 15:17   #33
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I just tried to visit your clubs web page but it was closed? it's a shame that there is already a divide in clubs and wouldn't it be better if you guys unite?
This will improve the chance of the breed getting recognition with the UK kennel club.
Yes Soul, it would be better. See my reply http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21819

But thing is, CSV club can not be managed by people who brought this breed in this country to brink of destruction. Because of these breeders UK was banned for export by European breeders. How you want to make them to trust us if among us will be the same people who caused whole mess? And to have proper breeding in UK, we need to cooperate with quality breeders from Europe.
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Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion
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Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion
The diference is that one club is really trying to help the breed in UK, while the other club is a "desperate try" made by UK puppy millers to avoid the formation of a real and right club of the breed in UK.
If there is a club working for help and selecting the breed, the puppy millers will have real problems, before UK was a real paradise for puppy millers willing to mistake people with the talk of "CzW are agressive, mixes are better" or "there are no CzW in UK than ours mixes", but now, with new rules for import dogs, to import a CzW is much easier and these puppy millers are for lost their market.
If you wish information, contact the http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ its the right club with no "hidden interest".
You can be sure that wolfdog club GB is not a serious club only by looking its reactions at this forum, completely childish reaction.
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Old 25-02-2012, 19:30   #36
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Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion
Same as me. Really. But if you dig deeper you will start to see whole picture. You will understand that someone has to get involved, even if doesn't like to. You will understand that if you will not do anything one day CSV will end up on list of banned breeds in UK. Only because some breeder whose main concern was money, didn't ask right questions when selling his puppy, and later dog bitten someone, cause his owner is real moron, who bought this dog for its scary, wolfish look. What you gonna do with your dog when it is going to be illegal to have one? Murph, not asking you to join us. Look around, talk to people, read old post here, and find out why breeders from Europe banned UK from sending puppies. Make your own mind...
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I would like to respond, if you excuse me my english... Hope I will be able to post it.
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We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins.
The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them.
You getting things a little mixed up here, but there is no point in correcting them. Yes, I don't own CSV yet, and others may not own FCI registered dogs, but this does't stop us from seeing difference between pure, ethical breeding and breeding only for profit, with what ever you can get.

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This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility .
Here I would like to straighten one thing up: vlcak.co.uk is accentually no group. It is just website (still under construction) which is aiming to promote the breed, give some basic info about the breed, and most importantly, make people aware of problems these dogs encountered in UK. Make aware of cross-breeding and puppy mass production for sake of money only. To state that in this moment there is no ethical, pure breeding in UK, and if someone wants CSV has to look overseas. If you check this website closely, you will find tere is no mention of club anywhere.

Now about our closed group on Facebook. This group was created mostly for purposes of discussion, regarding matters of stopping unethical breeding, preventing puppy millers (Ork wolf in this case) from causing more damage to the dogs, and breed in this country. For obvious reasons it cold not be public, as we didn't wanted these breeders to access these discussions. Yes, it meant to be a seed of Club as well but we didn't rushed with it, as for this moment there is very little FCI registered dogs in UK (some are owned by Ork Wolf but, we are strongly against his way of breeding). In fact, first official sign on creation of the club is here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21839 where we would like to invite every one to join.


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If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs?
Who told you we would not? Is it assumption? Or just a try to discredit? We need as many as possible FCI dogs, same as you. If someone is happy to cooperate, will just make us happy too. But you maybe have in mind we did not invite Ork Wolf to cooperation. Well, he maybe owns FCI CSV but he also represents everything what we trying to fight with. Breeders like him brought CSV to place where they are in this country.

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Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers.
Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional?
And saying somebody "looks stupid" makes you extremely professional? Come one, you can do better than that
Unite would be a great thing. But... If I am well told co founders of your group are people like Paul Collins, Hanka, and Sansorella. Two of them are people responsible for destroying this breed in UK. Their actions caused UK to be banned from exporting to. For many years they have cross breed, no even thinking about recognition with UK Kennel Club. There was no need. It was nearly impossible to import puppies from Europe, so they could do whatever they wanted. Registration with Kennel Club would only put restrictions and regulations on them, so why to do it if puppy business is going so well? Recent change in DEFRA law (Department for Environment, Food And Rural Affairs) makes now importing dogs from Europe much, much easier. Now, all these cross breeders have to compete with European breeders. That is no good for business... And these European breed dogs have something UK breed dogs have not - pedigrees. So now change of mind, and they going for recognition - hence, your club.

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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK.
But is managed by a breeder from Czech Don't forget we saw it on screen shots If you are all new owners, not breeders, you didn't know each other before. Just wonder, how you guys have meet up, organised? This is biggest forum about CSV. Every day, I am reading this and other forums, facebook group, and nowhere no one mentions importing CSV. Just Ork Wolf. How you have promoted your forum, in such short time? There must be some central point, and I bet it is Ork Wolf - Hanka Ltd. How it comes Hanka who sold puppies to Ork Wolf is one of you moderators/admins? How she becomes in such short time one of persons who deicide what is right or what is wrong on the forum? Don't blame me, but conclusions are pretty obvious. So dont tell me you are just owners, unrelated to current breeders ....

In conclusion - I would be very happy to team up with your club, only if I could see it being right. Without Hanka, ork wolf, sansorella , and others UK cross breeders, and puppy millers. Those breeders should never get registered with Kennel Club as breeders. Excluded form development of this breed in this country. But it will never happen, isn't it?
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Hello everyone

following the formation of the Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of USA, we would like to inform you about the creation of the Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of the UK. The Club is just forming, we have a lot to do, but our first goal is to get the breed registred with the British Kennel Club and to give it hope of a good new future in the UK

the group hope they will get support from wd forum members.

http://www.vlcak.co.uk/

(the site is still under construction)
Congratulations for your great work in the UK
And, I really like your web site!
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Hi Hedeon,
I don´t know you, you don´t know me...Can you write me why you give me together with some croses?
Thanks for answer.
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Hi All,

New to the forum, I followed the link from the website.
Although it looks like i had joined this forum a long time ago.
I hope we can get this majestic breed recognised in the uk.
I would like to know from anyone who has imported a puppy to the uk.
I was just looking for an idea of cost to import , from which country.
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