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Breed standard & bonitations How typical CzW should look like, measurements and commentaries to the breed standard, information about bonitations and youth presentations.... |
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11-09-2009, 18:52 | #121 |
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11-09-2009, 20:10 | #122 |
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"Pirma, jei stebetum, kaip vyksta testas, jis yra panasus i normalia bonitacija, o ejimas zmoniu grupeje, tai tik geros dresuros rodiklis, kodel manot, reikalaujama ZTP islaikyti bent minimalaus paklusnumo egzamina, pagrindinis skirtumas yra rankove bei kandimas. Bet kiek minetu ir demonstruotu jusu sunu tai atliktu, atsiprasau, bet su geru figurantu ir bailus suo padarys ataka, tai uztenka pamatyt bet kurioje dresuros stovykloje. Tad ir toliau tvirtinsiu, kad jusu testas tai tik grazus manevras pademonstruoti ismokta pamoka ty ataka. Taciau kadangi ner noro tai suvokti, o tik pasipuikavimas savo pseudo ziniomis, man telieka atsitraukti " this same method Wolland You thinik I am stupid, sorry, but people who have moore brain understand who I and others wish say, only You and italian groupe not sorry I have moore interesing work, not bite like idiot with You. regards OFF this all post, but - I not understand why this member wish make. Have normal diskusion or make joke and playing in forum. If shange bonitation test this make CZ with Sk clubs not others like italian or others. You cann this understand or not |
11-09-2009, 21:37 | #123 |
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I think there is a little misunderstanding...I know my english is very very bad, but Daiva, your Lithuanenglish is terrible !
Is very difficult to understand you. THe ZTP is the same in all country, did you propose ZTP in change of bonitace for selection of csw ? Right ?
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11-09-2009, 21:39 | #124 | |
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not I but your kolega from Italian for my is very good old bonitation SK test |
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12-09-2009, 10:44 | #125 | |
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12-09-2009, 13:04 | #126 | |
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The character test as used today is simple enough and doesn't take so much time, and it still tells us at least something about the dog's character.
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12-09-2009, 13:53 | #127 |
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I am completely agreement, that is Monika Soukupova for my female (Od) where Daiva Rimaityte for my male (Of), I am completely agreement with the judgement of the test of character. The test of character of the bonitation is completely adapted!!!
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12-09-2009, 17:37 | #128 | |
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I have 3 wolfdogs comes from 3 very different breeders, and all from very diferent lines, and I can assure you that my 3 dogs are amazing working dogs, in truth, one of the most versatile breed I ever meet in my life! I'm not talking here about sports, where you can even make a fake title of IPO making the test in your own garden, or training the dog for bite the glove nicelly, maybe making the dog bite their "own glove" or make defence with their "own helpler" I'm talking here about WORKIG, it means that if my dogs failed, probably I will pay this fail with my life. I had some oportunities to see my wolfdogs in action, and it was simply amazing, I saw VERY equilibrate dogs, which know how to react, and have body strong enough and able to do what they need. CzW is a real working dog, but don't wait of him a nice sport dog, so, two different things. Character test of bonitation, Slovak, Czech, independent of where it is, only select the extreme cases, and its already ok, better than nothing.
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I hope one day, when they're older and Paula has more observations she will write more about Jezzi's and Oscar's and Mona (?) amazing behaviour and share with us what she's learnt about the breed from her own experiences. Last edited by Rona; 12-09-2009 at 20:12. |
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13-09-2009, 10:26 | #130 |
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Ehm...apart the work of Paula "Croft" of which I'm very curious (hunting crocodiles in the Amazon's River?), I think that bonitace isn't a good test for a normal working dog, used by normal people for rescue, for guard, for sport and as a pet too.
Some years ago in a bonitace a csw take "Oh" (good) from a well known Czech judge; few minutes after the bonitace, this dog attacked and tried to kill his own handler!!!! I think that a ZTP is far better to evaluate character stability and training capacity (which is very important) of a working dog.
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IPO and other titles are nothing if i can't see the dog work with my eyes, to have IPO with electric collar is nothing! I want to see IPO dog's with other dogs, at show, at home, in the city. IPO dog must be IPO dog not only on training camp!! CZW can be, and i say: "MUST BE" a work dog, but now, sorry but i don't agree with you, CZW is a dog with huge potential to become a Work dog, is not now a work dog, is necessary to select and fix good gene's heritage for delete many features of CZW. 90% OF (bonitation code) dogs have although latent and hidden, the mistrust towards the man, and if you work on defense you can see this clear. This is not good for work, rescue dog must trust on man on all condition, also extreme! This is very hard for CZW. Work dog must have only small competitiveness agaist other dog's, CZW have for wolf heritage (and GSD too, of course) high competitiveness with other dog's. CZW work very well with his brain, collaborating with owner, work dog work much more mechanic (but i would like than CZW will work on his style!!). Czw have big potential like a rescue dog, especially surface rescue research, for his strong body, high resistance and his nose, and especcialy for his capacity to seak for long time comparison other work breed...but many edges of character must be round off, and for this is necessary excelent character selection... Quote:
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13-09-2009, 19:24 | #133 |
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Suzanna, Paula lives in Porto Alegre http://www.bugbog.com/images/maps/brazil-map.jpg
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Jezebeth had found 2 kg of drugs in a park when I was training track, I tough about continue in training that and put it specific for drugs, but as far my dogs are pretty unique here and easy to recognized the better choice was don't get involved in this. Quote:
The socialization dependance of the breedis not a huge problem, will not interfere in the working ability if the owner make it right. Quote:
Bonitation is a nice test, nice idea, that woud work perfectly if people had done it seriously, but it don't happen. Quote:
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We also need to remember that, a naturally strong charactered CzW, with strong nerves, isn't a dog for everybody and i'm talking here even about experienced owners, principally by the fact that the dominance counts a lot for this breed. Quote:
Unhaply where I live the violence is high, the laws don't work and we can say that we almost have no police ( or do you think they will work efetivelly, risking their lives for 200 Euros/month?), it can seems stupid, but its pretty common we count how many tchieves/bandits/perverts our dogs had already "eat", even the police agree in we substitue then for the dogs. For you had an idea, my rottweiler died with 6 in her account ( and 7 years old), Oskar in 2 years already have 3.
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